Cris Carter: Pats no longer an elite offense

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  1. Patspsycho

    Patspsycho Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Per Rappaport twitter:

    In my opinion I think Carter is dead wrong. There might be less vertical threat, and not as much stretched field, but I think we will find a way, as we always seem to do.
  2. PatsSox363804

    PatsSox363804 In the Starting Line-Up

    "When asked if Cris Carter was going into the hall of fame this year the voters said 'absolutely not.'"

    Who gives a ****? Carter isn't going to be objective at all in this case because of the player and team involved. Even if it turns out to be accurate his opinion holds no water in this case.
  3. Jangles

    Jangles Supporter Supporter

    We'll see

    Randy Moss was what most teams planned for, who are they going to be afraid of now? Sure Wes can carve up teams underneath, but with nobody dragging defenders down field or at least bringing a lot of attention to their side I think this offense is going to become a disappointment.

    I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't deny that a lot of what the Pats do offensively is because of the attention Moss gets.
  4. D-Money

    D-Money In the Starting Line-Up

    Duh!I think we will move the ball at times but to think that we will score 30 plus is crazy.
  5. BadMoFo

    BadMoFo Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    I agree. I think we'll still be able to move the ball, may just take longer to get to the end of the field, which I'm totally cool with.

    However, you also have to wonder how much of our gameplan is built on having Moss in the game and expecting that double team to the outside. He has played the most snaps of any skill position player other than the QB since he's been here.
  6. Fixit

    Fixit Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    I know I'm in the minority, but before I'd make a statement like that I might wait for them to play a game or two first.
  7. shmessy

    shmessy Maude Staff Member Supporter

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    Cris Carter.

    You can't find a more unbiased opinion regarding Randy Moss.
  8. D-Money

    D-Money In the Starting Line-Up

    Why wouldnt teams double Welker now?They gonna be afraid of an unproven wr in Tate?
  9. shmessy

    shmessy Maude Staff Member Supporter

    #75 Jersey

    Good point. The Patriots have only two WR's and no TE's.
  10. PatsSox363804

    PatsSox363804 In the Starting Line-Up

    The worst part about this is that we play Baltimore next game and there's a very good chance that with Moss we wouldn't put up a ton of points, but of course now that he's been traded if we don't break 25 points it's going to be chicken little central on this board and in the local media.
  11. JackBauer

    JackBauer Pro Bowl Player

    I can't wait to hear Marshall Faulk weigh in with his thoughts.
  12. PatriotsReign

    PatriotsReign Hall of Fame Poster

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    If any NFL team has a player that needs to be coddled, that player isn't an asset to that team...unless he's a QB.

    Moss NEEDED to get attention...that has been his downfall his entire career.

    How many world championship teams has he played for?

    For some reason, I forget.:rolleyes:

    Despite all the cry-babies, the Pats are better off without him.
  13. 5 Rings for Brady!!

    5 Rings for Brady!! In the Starting Line-Up

    We just became an elite offense, IMO. Brady will go back to spreading the ball, just like Troy Brown mentioned today, and I also have been thinking/saying since the Miami game in 2007. Moss was fun to watch but ultimately he is not a team player for more than a year or two at a stretch. Moss reached the limit of his capacity to be a team player.

    Interestingly Bruschi says that Moss had become a distraction already to other players.

    And of course, like when Maroney was traded, all the actual players in the lockerroom and the coaches and the former players like Troy and Bruschi universally condemned him, the same will happen with Moss whilst the clueless fanboys ravage themselves in fits of misguided angst.

    Such is life as a Pats fan. :)
  14. emoney_33

    emoney_33 Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    BJGE's job got a little more difficult too.
  15. Fixit

    Fixit Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Do you watch the games? He already gets doubled. We doubled him when he was with Miami, and he still killed us.

    In the slot, he's all-but-uncoverable.
  16. WelshPat

    WelshPat Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Last time Brady had to "Spread the ball around" without Moss in the team, were they an elite offense?

    I don't see the whole thing that Brady didn't spread the ball around. He damn well tried. But Galloway, Watson and Sam Aiken were not good enough.
  17. The Dynasty

    The Dynasty In the Starting Line-Up

    How can an offense be considered elite when they start only one real veteran guy that starts in Welker. Tate is decent, but in his first full season. Hernandez and Gronk are rookies. Edelman is in his 2nd year, but hasnt really showed much this season. And in the running game, there are only 3 healthy backs on the entire roster. You cannot call this an elite offense
  18. TruthSeeker

    TruthSeeker Supporter Supporter

    I don't disagree with Chris Carter. The Pats lost that receiver other teams feared, the only one we had with proven deep speed. The receiving corp consists of one great receiver (Welker), two rookie TE's (who obviously look like they CAN be studs), one receiver who has played 5 NFL games (Tate), one seemingly hobbled receiver (Edelman), and a rookie receiver who hasn't played an official NFL regular season game yet (Price). Our starting RB's are two undrafted free agents whose career totals are 746 career rushing yards. 90% of the time, Welker and Hernandez are our running game on those short passes. The offense scored 24 against Cincy, 14 against the Jets, 38 against putrid Buffalo, and 20 against Miami. And except for the last game, most of the points are scored in the first half.

    I don't know how this offense will stack up against good defenses, but I guess we will see next week. What I DO like, is now Brady won't be trying to force the long ball to Moss everytime we get behind. Hopefully we will have a more balanced offense, and hopefully this means more catches for everyone. I'd love to see Price get in some games.
  19. TBradyOwnsYou

    TBradyOwnsYou 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    We aren't an elite offense anymore. True. To be an elite offense, we now have to prove we can still spread the field without Moss. If we can do that, especially against the next few teams on our scheule, then we can once again be called an elite offense. We currently have unmatched potential on this team and the offense has yet to prove it can help carry the defense without Moss to spread the field. We will see in the next few weeks how it works out.
  20. Fixit

    Fixit Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Eleven days from the next game, and we already know everything about the offense. Nice.
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