Crazy Hypothetical: Could Cassel have won SB 42???

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  1. signbabybrady

    signbabybrady Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Now that most eveyone seems to be in the Cassel corner I was wondering what people think about how our chances would have been in the SB if Brady's ankle had prevented him from playing. In other words would a Healthy Cassel potentially done better than a hurt Brady.

    Now I am not criticzing playing a hurt Brady as I think that was a no brainer if the guy can go he Starts. And I am not saying that Brady's lack of mobility was the only reason we lost but it was a big one as the pressure ate him alive.

    Now keep in mind we would not have the Cassel of the last few weeks as that experience was not there yet. But our hindsight shows even when he was getting sacked alot early in the year he didn't make the key mistake and his mobilty might have helped extend some drives.

    What do you guys think the outcome of the SB would have been if Cassel had started?

    I don't think it would have been better in fact it probably would have been much worse but I am curious what others think.
  2. Rob0729

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    The same or worse. Did you watch Cassel earlier in the season when the o-line couldn't protect him? Cassel may have had 7 or 8 sacks in the Super Bowl. Cassel took about a month or a month and a half to get used to dealing with pressure and knowing when to take a sack and when to get rid of the ball.
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  3. signbabybrady

    signbabybrady Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Yes but as I said he didn't let the pressure cause mistakes he just ate the sack so maybe he would have made a play with his feet where Brady obviously couldn't. As I said my opinion is that it would probably have been the same or much worse and you agree. It probably would have been similar except Cassel probably would not have been able to lead the drive that Brady did to take the lead before all hell broke loose.
  4. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Do you even lift? Supporter

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    I don't know where Cassel would have been able to scramble to in the Super Bowl to extend the play. The Giants were bringing pressure from everywhere. So no, I don't think Cassel would have done a better job. Nor do I think that Cassel would have been able to drive us down the field with two minutes left.
  5. fumbrunner

    fumbrunner In the Starting Line-Up

    It would have been ugly. Cassel is just now beginning to get used to game speed. Coming off the bench at that point, without any playing time, would have been horrendous esp with the Giants rush.
  6. fleabassist1

    fleabassist1 In the Starting Line-Up

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    Ahahahahah - tenchar
  7. BradyManny

    BradyManny Pro Bowl Player

    I'm sure Cassel would've gotten his head ripped off even worse. I wonder if McD has learned some things from the SB and from having Cassel at QB that could've helped them against the Giants, though. Mainly, to go to dink and dunk earlier and often, and not just the screen passes and dump offs (which they did do, and do with some success), but having Moss and Welker pull the defense with them to let other guys get open.

    The most painful thing about that Super Bowl is the fact that the offense actually moved the ball decently. Look, what if Maroney converts the 3rd & 1 at the start of the 2nd half? What if the OL doesn't blow it on 3rd & 6, Brady doesn't get sacked and the team kicks a FG instead of having the 4th & 13 debacle? What if Moss hauls in that bomb from Brady on the last drive? The game could've gone extremely differently, but it didn't. End of story. I hate talking about that game.
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  8. Lifer

    Lifer Banned

    And my threads get deleted?

    and you know something, i think the Celtics would have won a few more titles in the 80's if Wedman had started instead of Bird.
  9. tombonneau

    tombonneau In the Starting Line-Up

    Certainly not in the Super Bowl had he come off the bench. That was the same Cassel we saw earlier in the year, remember?

    I think right now, if they had two weeks to play the Giants, Cassel could likely perform better than a hobbled Brady in the SB. This is assuming the Pats would design some plays to take advantage of Cassel's mobility and hopefully negate some of the Giants pass rush.
  10. Lifer

    Lifer Banned

    Somebody help me here. Nobody has defended Matt Cassel like I have. But you people are just insane!!!!!!!!!!
  11. Dolfaniss

    Dolfaniss On the Roster

    No, Giants win by more.
  12. unoriginal

    unoriginal In the Starting Line-Up

    Cassel would have been killed. He scrambles now because teams drop people deep to take away Moss, that gives Cassel the checkdown throw and the scramble option, should the throw not be there.

    The Giants' Super Bowl game plan was to bring pressure up the middle, and flood the short zones to take away all the checkdown and screen stuff. Hence Cassel would have had nowhere to escape to.

    The only thing that could have helped the Pats win the Super Bowl was enough of a deep passing game to make the Giants back off, or make them pay for gambling.
  13. PatsWickedPissah

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    I've defended Cassie but this premise is beyond ludicrous. To make it even worse, we're talking about the MC of Feb 2008, not the one we have now.

    The MC then had NO, I repeat virtually NO game experience. THINK about that. It was B4 even the pre-season game experience.

    It's taken several games for MC to learn to deal with the pass rush; note how much better he is now but now he has Neal who was OUT in the SB debacle.

    It's taken several games for MC to keep his eyes downfield under pressure and look for the 2nd & 3rd option. Brady is THE master of this.

    MC still hasn't developed the ability to throw deep. Knowing the dropoff in deep play ability vs Brady, the well-coached Jints woulda been able to bring even more pressure or to cover the short passes even better, requiring perfect timing and risking picks.

    Just a couple minutes thought people before beginning a thread.
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  14. Lifer

    Lifer Banned

    People would get all mad if a created the thread that I want to right now, so i will just post my question here?

    Would the Patriots be better than 6-4 if they, instead of putting Brady on IR, played him anyway with the torn ACL?

    Hey, its no stupider than this thread.

    PATSYLICIOUS Pro Bowl Player

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    No but the Giants might have set a new record for sacks in a game.
  16. Sivy

    Sivy In the Starting Line-Up

    brady did his job in the superbowl, it was the D who couldnt stop a 4th and forever, and the refs who forgot how to blow a whistle.
  17. Sivy

    Sivy In the Starting Line-Up

    I think he could have played sometime this season, but why risk the career of the greatest player of all time for one season?
  18. VJCPatriot

    VJCPatriot Pro Bowl Player

    LOLOL. Cassel's big problem is holding onto the ball too long and eating sacks. He would have been sacked twice as much and wouldn't have put up as many points as Brady did. Come on, get real here.
  19. mosi

    mosi 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Cassel is still 0-3 on nationally televised games. He is getting better every week but lets not get crazy. All I care about is if Cassel can win SB43!
  20. MrBigglesWorth

    MrBigglesWorth Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    ya this is a crazy thread. Personally I'd rather have a starter like Neal over Yates.

    It was the palycalling that was awful. Welker should ahve had 20 catches in that game and should have been MVP
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