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Cowardly Obama Hides As The World Burns

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  1. Wolfpack

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    Well I have to hand it to Hillary. She sure knew what she was talking about when she made the commercial warning us all about how Obama just wasn't ready for that 3:00 A.M. phone call. But he sure is ready to fill out his bracket!

    This op-ed piece hits the nail right on the head. If anything, it is too generous.

    Barack Obama's lack of leadership -- John Podhoretz - NYPOST.com

    This is not a time for leadership; this is the time for leadership. So where is Barack Obama?

    Obama is defining himself in a way that will destroy him.

    It is not merely that he isn't rising to the challenge. He is avoiding the challenge. He is Bartleby the President. He would prefer not to.
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    I agree, for forty years the world has wanted to get rid of gadafie this was the big chance.
    Its disgusting watching these rebels getting sliced to pieces and obama and the rest of the world just sit back and watch it happen. It reminds me of the Shia rebelion after the first gulf war, Bush the first let Saddam use his helicopters to put down the uprising while there was a no fly zone in place.
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    I think the neocons lare yesterday's news, died with the Bush era. On the right, they've been replaced by the far more isolationist Tea Party.

    That said, I do agree that Obama should be taking stronger stands, though I suppose his team thinks it's wiser to give all the attention to the Republicans who have been dropping in popularity.
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    Wow. Pretty pathetic attempt at misdirection and trying to derail my thread. (Isn't derailing threads against the forum rules?)
    Sorry but there are no Republicans in the White House. Foreign policy is pretty much entirely on his narrow shoulders, and he has failed time and again. He is a joke and a national embarassment.

    France has actually taken a stronger stand on Libya than the U.S. How pathetic is that? Just par for the course from the cowardly, weakling Obama. But he sure knows how to pick the Final Four! :rolleyes:
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    What would your preference be for Obama to do w/r/t Japan and Libya?
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    I'm not about to attack our president at this moment in time as wolfie seems to be enjoying. But in response to your point, Obama should be doing something about at least one of the above. Like, how about making a decision of some sort about something. Even you gotta admit Chico, this isn't a time for a POTUS to lay-low.

    It can't be just him because POTUS' don't do anything on their own without advice from their team...so WTF is his team doing? Neither you, I or even wolfie aren't the ones to say what our president should be doing...after all, that is what we elected him to do, isn't it?
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    Podhoretz is a neocon. His ideas are old. That's relevant. In other words, it's unlikely that what he advocates has support from much of the left or right.

    France has taken a stronger stand on Libya and I credit them for that. I do wish we backed the rebels even though I'm aware that there's a real risk that some of them may be worse than Qadaffi. That's been the problem all along. It's not like the rebels are great humanitarians.
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    I just don't have a strong view of what should be done, so I can't really call for action.
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    No matter how our views differ Patters, I'm sure we both agree how fortunate we are that fate/God/luck had us born in this country.

    Imagine worrying about our gov't knocking down our doors or that the catholics from across the river were coming to attack us. I don't think it's possible for us to truly appreciate just how fortunate we are.

    We can't blame Libyans for being born in Libya. And we can't pat ourselves on the back for being born in the U.S., can we?
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    I am with you here step-for-step...but our president can't use the same excuse for everything going on in the world right now. Presidents are supposed to make decisions....BIG decisions...DIFFICULT decisions.

    That was my point. I'm not saying you should call for any action....but Obama and his team certainly should be.

    Don't you agree?

    Let's hope he's being calculating and does something about something soon!
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    I'll offer my opinion:

    I'm not surprised by his lack of leadership. The man is exactly what I figured he'd be.

    I kinda of prefer a more isolationist America, so I do give him a level of credit for doing less, as doing more tends to lead to too much, or at the very least ends up opening an unwanted can of worms. So less is fine by me in a general sense.

    I'm not sure what more Obama can do with regard to the situation in Japan. He can't prevent the reactors from melting down, and he can't make the destruction go away with his teleprompter. I'm not sure criticism is warranted here.


    Libya is a different story. I absolutely do not want us on the ground there. I actually prefer we stay out of it for the most part. Where I'll lay criticism is with the absolute inaction we're seeing. A no-fly zone, especially when countries like France, and even the Arab League are calling for one, would have made a lot of sense to me. I'm very disappointed that we didn't, in a coalition with the world, establish a no fly zone there. That is probably something people have a right to criticize. Flex hit it on the head really. Shooting down the air power of the enemy government could have gone a long way then, and it would have gone a long way now. It would have at least served to level the playing field. I understand a pilot could be shot down, but they know that's a possibility when they sign up for the job.
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    I don't, actually. Action isn't always the best thing.

    It's certainly possible that we should be taking actions -- public actions -- beyond what's already being done inJapan, and in Libya as well.

    But acting for the sake of acting is usually a mistake, in my experience.
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    Maybe you're right Chico...if so, I'd like to see Obama explain what the risks are to Americans and the world. He just needs to be seen as a leader right now...in my opinion.

    It's still early yet, so we need to be patient.

    I'll also add that Obama became POTUS at THE most difficult time in my adult life...I realize he's just human.
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    I wouldn't be so sure of that. Patters clearly has an open disdain for and hatred of America. I doubt he considers himself as blessed to live here as the rest of us do.
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    You were asked what you would have Obama do in Japan and Libya? ...and try to be as specific as you can.
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    Sorry, but I don't have a couple free hours available to answer that question. But here's one thing I wouldn't do:

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    And I also wouldn't sit back while France takes the lead on trying to get a grip on the situation in Libya.

    Stop being such an apologist, you only make yourself look foolish. Even the most partisan member of this forum, despite his attempts to hijack my thread, admitted Obama is once again dropping the ball in a time of international crisis.
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    That wasn't the question.
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    Involvement in a no fly zone probably would have made sense and been feasible.

    I don't know the arguments against it, but your post seems very reasonable.

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    I'm not defending anyone or any "side", but like I wrote earlier, we on this board aren't supposed to have the answer to that question. That is why we have a POTUS along with the team of experts they have.

    Wolfie isn't supposed to be able to answer that question....none of us are.

    And don't get snippy and reply, "was I talkin' to you?";)
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    Ok, Butinski!
    I withdraw the request for specific suggestions from Wolfie. Anything will do. And I disagree with you about having answers, because the only real answer is what the POTUS actually does. When someone criticises the lack of action of anyone, I always thought it was expected to provide one or more alternatives that may or may not be realistic.

    It's easy to criticize when you have nothing at stake or to offer. People who tear someone down for no reason whatsoever don't deserve protection. I'm surprised you disagree, but you're free to do so. I think that, given the circumstances, Obama is playing these problems the only way he can. When Libyans aren't being supported by their neighbors, why are we next at bat? Doesn't China or India (to name a couple) have any resources to iintervene in a civil war?
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    I think it's a fair question. What can Obama really do about the situation in Japan? I'm not sure he can do anything that hasn't already been done. Japan is a capable country, and I'm sure they've recieved any help they've asked us for, if they've asked for any help at all.

    I do agree that I probably wouldn't be going on ESPN and filling out brackets for March Madness. I know it's a stupid little thing, but it won't look good, and can only look bad from a PR standpoint. Just look at how it looks in here.
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    You can't just ask our pilots to fly on by all of Libya's anti-aircraft stuff and hope they don't shoot. If you're the CiC and committed to keeping our people alive you have to let them go in and clean out all of that stuff first. Which means bombs falling all over Libya, people dying, possibly civilians, the whole nine yards. Then and only then do you have the playing field for a nice, boring no-fly zone.

    This is not to say that I think doing all that stuff should be rejected. By and large I approve of nation-building and the USA being the world's policeman in the right situations. However, my thinking is that its entirely possible that we aren't in a position to do it without extending our armed forces too much. I'm prepared to give the president the benefit of that doubt.

    As to the French, the nation that refused us passage over their country 30 years ago when Regan attempted to deal with Libya? They can go pound sand. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn they started all this chickenhawking just to make us look bad.
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    He is an administrator President ... a bit different than what we are used to in our lifetimes. We'll have to see if it works in the long run.
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    Not to worry, he's heading to Rio so we know he's on top of the pressing issues on the world stage.
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    Fair enough...but if you read all my post in this thread, I said this is not the time to attack our president. I also wrote....

    I'd personally like to see Obama go on national television and give Americans an update on all the major world crisis going on at this point in time.

    He could explain to us why it would be wrong for us to get involved in the Middle East uprisings/turmoil. Maybe talk about the mistakes we've made in the past and how our role needs to change. Personally, I'd love to hear that we can no longer police the world as other nations have a right to determine their own destinies.

    I think that could actually make him and America look pretty good. I really believe this is a time Obama needs to speak directly to his people (all Americans). It's not only Americans that need him to talk to us, but people around the world probably want to know what America thinks.

    It could be a great opportunity just to speak the to world without really taking any action. I think he has a real talent for speaking in a manner that can calm fears and that he probably under-utilizes that talent.
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    Gaddafi said it "Obama Is My Friend"

    The screwballs of America wanted a "Poster Boy" they got him, it's kind of fun watching all my predictions come true.

    Ladies and gentlemen, PRESIDENT JUG EARS.
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    Yawn.

    What a surprise, another Obama-bashing thread from Wolfpack without event a hint of constructive suggestions on what he'd prefer to see from Obama.

    OTOH, props to PR.
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    PR, personally I'd be all for this.

    The one thing that comes to mind, though, is that I am 99% confident that the likes of wolfpack and Podhoretz (sp?) would attack him for doing that. He'd still be attacked for words instead of actions, for making us look weak, etc., and you know any disucssion of "past mistakes" would be attacked as apologizing, hating America, etc.
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    Great post. Now is the time to show leadership, and that doesn't always mean pointing the guns and shooting. I think this could be the most important moment in his Presidency, and so far, he's wasting it.

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