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  1. Patters

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    For those of you who don't believe there's discrimination against gays, here's a good example. By the way, in 31 states its legal to discriminate against gays. As I understand it, you could legally fire someone, deny them housing, etc. because they are gay.

    http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=48201&GID=tdBTsdt6Zpm25FREc7vTKRvNCPu96Nv JkjT4 qGjh8=

    A gay couple looking to rent a hotel room say they were turned away because of their sexuality. "She wasn't discreet about it," said Jason Pickel, referring to a hotel employee. "She was not apologetic. She just said, 'We do not rent to gay people.'"

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    News19 contacted the hotel, posing as a potential renter, and inquired about two men staying in the same room. The receptionist who answered the phone told us the following: “Our policy is we don’t rent to two people of the same sex if we only have one bed.” “Is that your policy,” we asked. “That’s corporate policy because they only have one sleeping area.” We then asked, “Okay, but they can't share the bed?” "I suppose they could, but most men don’t want to," she said.

    However, when News19 called the owner of the hotel, Carroll Atkisson, he says there had been some confusion. He says any couple can come to the place and they will rent to them, period. Atkisson says the policy was not mean to target homosexuals. He says they were just trying to stop two single people from being in the same bed.

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    Currently, there is no state law preventing a hotel from refusing service to a same-sex couple. However, it is illegal to discriminate on the basis of race, creed, color, national origin, gender, disability, or marital status.
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    A good reason why I moved from South Carolina. That kind of thing is just wrong. There are also a lot of motels in South Carolina that will not rent a room to a non-married heterosexual couple. Or Bi-racial.

    Ignorance and discrimination does exist.

    Interesting, however, that you posted it minutes after I posted an article describing anti-christian discrimination.
    Yes, Patters, I understand homosexuals are discriminated against, but dont think its all because of Christians and/or other "religious" people. Many secular people are bigoted against Gays as well. Go to any schoolyard or bar and listen.
    And as ive stated before, I speak out against Christians who focus their energies carring on about Homosexuality.

    That hotel should pay a heavy price for their behavior and its a good thing that kind of action is brought to light.
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    Why? Cant we just let the consumer decide?
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    So what's the problem...? If someone wants to deny immoral activity from going on in their property, they should have that right.
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    #24 Jersey

    Whatever. I'm against civil rights laws so I'm fine with it. If they want to cut off a part of their customer base, whether it's gays, blacks, jews, men, ugly people, that's their choice; or it should be anyway, I understand what I said isn't legally correct.

    Regarding gays in particular a hotel's a little different because it's short term. But let's say I own an apartment triplex - if I think that I would have trouble renting the other apartments because of having a gay couple; well too bad but I'm not renting to them. Sorry. Good business decision.
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    Isn't SC the state that wants to create some type of theocracy there?? Remember reading somewhere that they wish to become the home of the Christian right.
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    You seem to believe that capitalism is perfect (yet never responded to my point about the farmer's plight in another thread). The problem with your point is that it leads to social unrest, which is a problem that transcends business decisions. Along the same lines, it leads to greater and greater polarization as people, even more than they do today, gravitate towards communities that live up to their values. This is the kind of problem affecting Iraq for instance, where the divides between Sunnis Shiites, and Kurds leave the country two options: civil war or brutal dictatorship. Also, it's only a good business decision if it's legal. By making discrimination illegal we keep the playing field equal, so your point is only valid in a society that sanctions prejudice.

    QuiGon's point about each individual having the right to wield his or her own morality against others would of course lead to chaos if it was practiced by large numbers.
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    The hotel did nothing illegal. I would be more concerned about them not allowing children in their suites. I am totally against protected classes of people. If this makes me a bigot, so be it.
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    So, do you support making kids a protected class or not? What about blacks and women? How about Christians? Should it be okay to discriminate against those groups?
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    I am for enforcing laws equally without increasing penalties into hate crimes as is now done. Anyone who is abused or discriminated against by virtue of the violator's superiority (age, position, or superior strength) should be protected by laws that take into account that superiority. Christians can take care of themselves, and I am a Catholic, and I see as much black on white hatred and discrimination as I do white on black.
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    The majority have superior strength, and can therefore use that strength to the detriment of any minority (gays, blacks, etc.). And, out of curiosity, what do you mean by "position." Can you give me an example?

    So, you think if you were black, you would have had the same opportunities that you would have had if you were white? Ever watch antique road show? Ever wonder why 99% of the people with valuable heirlooms are white? There's far more discrimination against blacks and the sins of our past still affect them to this day.
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    By position I mean adults preying on children, men raping or abusing women, youth attacking the elderly or handicapped are examples. As far as sins of the past, affirmative action had its chance, time to judge every person on their merits. Why should a school admit a C- black student over a B+ white or asian student? I also don't buy white guilt over slavery or over the way Native Americans were treated in the past.
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    I'm not talking about affirmative action, I'm talking about blatant discrimination. You seem to be okay with a school refusing to admit a black or gay, even if his grades were higher than someone else's. And you seem to be saying that it's okay for a hotel to refuse to rent to someone because of their religious beliefs, not just their sexuality, sex, age, or color. Also, I agree our crimes against the American Indians are severe and do rival our crimes against blacks, but slavery and racism and the crimes committed are pretty darn awful:

    http://www.exodusnews.com/HISTORY/History007.htm
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    You are reading too much into this. The most simple way that I can put this is that I am not in favor of giving preference to one class over another. I have not said any place that it is ok to discriminate against blacks. The example in college admissions that I presented was an academically superior white or asian not getting admitted just to take a black applicant. Keep in mind that the hotel broke no law when it did not rent a room to the gay couple. This is it on this subject for me. If you want to brand me a bigot do so.
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    And you seem to believe that big liberal socialist government is perfect.

    So then you must agree that it is wrong to force your morality (homosexuality is OK) on another.

    See, you've just exposed your own hypocrisy. You say "each individual having the right to wield his or her own morality against others would of course lead to chaos" but what you really mean is you don't want people exercising morality that conflicts with yours, whereas you should be free and clear to exercise and impose your own morals wherever and whenever you want.
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    What would you say about a national scholarship program that raised millions and millions of dollars that said "We are only going to give scholarships to white people"...? Would you be OK with that...?
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    No, QuiGon, that's not true. I believe in equal rights for all groups, including fundamentalist Christians, racists, homophobes, etc. I don't think we should be allowed to discriminate against any group. It doesn't mean I agree with those people, but I respect their right to believe what they want, and I would no more support a gay hotel on Ptown refusing a room to a straight, fundamentalist Christian couple, than a straight hotel refusing a room to a liberal, gay couple. I don't want to impose my morals, because for the most part history has proven that liberal morals will ultimately prevail. (Look at civil rights, women's rights, interracial marriage, rights of those with disabilities, rights of legal immigrants, etc.) What I want is equal rights under the law.
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    We have a problem. The problem is that because of years of discrimination and segregation, black people have not been afforded equal opportunity in the many markets. I worked in the sort of conservative technology companies that abound in Massachusetts. I know as well as anyone that the fact that I had much in common with my boss culturally (Pats fan, middle class, Irish last name, male, etc.) worked to my advantage. My boss wasn't a bigot. He was a good guy, but like most people he felt more comfortable hiring and promoting people who were of his ilk.

    I've had management jobs, even senior management jobs, and I understand quite well the difficulty that anyone nontraditional faces. In fact, in one job, my boss's boss tried to block the hiring of a receptionist because she had an Irish brogue and in another my boss tried to stop me from hiring an older sec'y, simply because most of the other sec'ys were young. Black people, Latinos, and disabled people face a lot of discrimination, and there's no good solution, though our laws do help. Gay people at least have the advantage that they can land a job and often have time to prove their worth before any learns they are gay.
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    #24 Jersey

    Regarding the farmer thing I'd already made my point so I just left it alone.

    On civil rights laws, I feel the same way as about taxes, you can make whatever argument you want about what people should have the rights to (whether it's civil rights or a social safety net, etc), I just think the government dictating business' hiring practices (or renting practices) and raising taxes on one group to give to another are inherently wrong.
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    Of course there is discrimination against gays. there is also discrimination against blacks, jews, christians, the disabled, etc... I'm not sure anyone in here would say that discrimination doesn't exist. Obviously, the level of discrimination varies with respect to region, group, ethnicity, etc...

    Seem to me that it was the employee who was discriminatory, and not the corporation itself. The employee took policy upon themselves and discriminated.

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