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    What are the chances he could play along side Moss while Welker is out. I mean i loved him in St Louis but has since dropped off.
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    I just hope he does not retire now
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    Sounds like that is Tate's job to lose right now
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    Welker will be ready week one.

    Edelman would likely have the leg up on 3 but Tate looks good and price does too and there is a lot of camp to go. I think after Moss and Welker there will be a lot of options and a lot mixing and matching (TEs included).

    Holt might need BB to carry 6 WR in order to make the team.
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    True. I just think Holt is a very smart route runner. Always has been
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    Elderman is Welker lite, so he probably would not be a option at third.
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    What makes you think that Welker won't be available for the start of the season?
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    I doubt he's gonna be the #2. Although with his route running abilities/veteran presence I think he has a spot on this team
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    Tate was very impressive today. I was there. See Mrs B's afternoon camp report. Tate is the guy.
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    I was wondering if Holt even makes the team. I saw Tate today too, very impressive. 5 locks would seem to be Moss, Welker, Tate, Edelman and Price. If they keep 6, don't they keep Aiken for ST's? If so, where does that leave Holt?
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    I like to keep STs only guys like Alexander, Slater, and Aiken seperate from the depth position by position. IMO there is always the ability to carry an extra at any given position but it will cost you at another. I could see us Carrying 6 WR but it might cost an extra RB (BJGE or one of the Vets) maybe carry 2 QBs again or somethig like that.

    Thats not to say that if you are fighting for WR 5 or 6 that STs doesnt help because it can keep on the team long enough to prove yourself.

    IMO you keep Holt as WR6 because of vet insurance with the way we were thin last at WR I think you want to avoid that at all cost. He could even beat out some of the youngsters I am not trying to sell him short but I cant see them cutting any of these 5 (Moss, Welker,Edelman, Tate,Price).
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    Welker isn't going to be out, the premise is wrong.

    Most likely it will be Moss, Welker and Tate in 3 WR sets but if Holt replaces anyone there it would be Tate not Welker.
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    he is not PS eligible and he is not getting cut no how no way.
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    Some reports put Patten ahead of Holt so far, so that can't be a good sign even if Patten retired. I think he will make the team however.
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    Can't see welker line up every down in the first few weeks. He could easily start the season at 3/lower in the bid to help the rehabilition.
    No way edelman is traded or cut.
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    Reports or opinions of posters? There is a big difference.

    I think Holt is going to be very productive for us.
    He is a smart, disciplined, talented receiver even if he has lost a step.
    I think he is an excellent fit at WR for Brady.
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    I think he will be productive but not featured. I like Holt as a guy to help spread the field. Kind of like Faulk. He can hurt you bad when you are looking to cover other guys first.
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    Edelman will make the team.
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    Edelman had a bad start of practise this afternoon before reverting to form and excellence. There is NO WAY, short of running over BB's dog, that Edelman gets cut. Holt goes 1st and I'm very excited about Holt.

    Price is at the guy risk although as a 3rd pick and definitely not a stiff I can't see him snuck onto the PS.

    Yes, Aiken had a couple great plays last season out of manny pissed away ones but watching him at camp you know he's a stiff, compared to his competition.
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    Edelman is going nowhere.
    He isnt Welkers caddy, he played when Welker did last year too.
    Personally, I think the counter to teams focussing on Welker isnt necessarily a down field threat, but another guy operating in the same area on the other side of the field.
    We often use 4 wide on 3rd down, and their is a slot on both sides of the field. If you roll to Welkers side, Edlemans side is undermanned.
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    As far as Aiken, he is only making the team because of his special teams ability.
    We have added an awful lot of young players who figure to make the team and contribute on special teams. For the first time in a long time, I think we will have special teams made up of a lot of 'future starters' rather than relying on vets who can only contribute on special teams.
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    Whenever I see a "who is the #2 WR" topic, it seems as if it becomes confusing because of different definitions of a '#2 WR'.

    To some people the #2 WR is the WR who gets the second most plays called, the #2 option for the QB, the player who ends up with the second most receptions and passes thrown his way. In the Pats offense of the last three years that is the slot receiver, whether it is Welker or Edelman. For a team like the Cowboys or Colts you could say the #2 receiver is actually a tight end (Witten and Clark.)

    Others look at #2 WR as the player who is most often lined up wide opposite Moss. That was Gaffney for a couple of years, and could be Tate, Holt or Price this year.

    I would suggest labeling players as split ends and flankers, but that would probably cause even more confusion than '#2 WR' does.
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    with welker, out it's moss and Holt, on the out side with Julian Edelman, in the slot im not sold on Tate, being the #2 right now i see Tate, as a return man who will make some plays at WR not a starter at lest not this year.
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    Let me confuse it even more:)
    When we have 2 WRs, Welker is on the field.
    The only reason to put #3 anywhere in the vicinity of his name is because he lines up inside when we go to 3 or 4 wide.

    The analogy is a starting corner who plays on the slot guy in the nickel (there was one real good example recently, but I cant remember who it was). Thats not really the #3 corner.
    Sometime when I read these threads I think people are talking about someone playing across from Moss in 2 WR sets. That is and will continue to be Welker.
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    Agree about Aiken except that he's at risk because of the # of quality WRs AND the young ST talent you mention. This year we have the luxury that our ST guys will be backups for areas where we have less QUALITY depth. I liked Aiken at WR last year untill he proved me wrong; he was not a complets stiff but certainly not adequate depth either.
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    I dont think Aiken would have ever been signed here much less made the team a few times if he wasnt an excellent special teams player.
    He really only saw the field as a WR because of Galloways failure and other injuries made him the only choice.
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    Someone mentioned the possibility of Price going to the PS...no way he makes it to the PS without being claimed, the kid is going to be a good one...if BB doesn't think he'll contribute more than Holt this year, I wonder of the infamous phantom injury to IR is a possibility for Price. That would definitely open up a spot for Holt.
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    We don't post stuff like that here. Jetsfans will rat us out to their boy Goodell.
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    I think of it in terms of '07 (pretty good offense):
    Moss = Moss
    Welker = Welker
    Gaffney = Holt/Price?
    Stallworth = Tate?
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    add to that tight ends who can actually catch the ball.
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