Welcome to PatsFans.com

Could Pats Secondary Woes Be Traced To Offense?

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by PatsFans.com Article, Dec 7, 2011.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. PatsFans.com Article

    PatsFans.com Article In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2007
    Messages:
    3,203
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    Could Pats Secondary Woes Be Traced To Offense?
    By: Steve Balestrieri

    Perhaps the biggest miscalculation this summer could have been that the Patriots coaches thought this defense was better in man coverage because of the success they had against their own offense....

     
  2. borg

    borg In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2004
    Messages:
    4,050
    Likes Received:
    109
    Ratings:
    +265 / 18 / -17

    I absolutely agree with this article and will take it a step further. The Patriots DBs get torched by larger WRs.....Detroit in preseason, SD, etc... because they never practice against physical, fast WRs.....because they don't exist on their roster. (I have to believe Ras I Dowling was going to be the big WR defender)

    And as far as WR speed goes, the Pats have none....so sure, our DBs look capable against Branch and Stinko. But the fact is our latest crop of DBs are deficient in the wheels department....hence the zone...aka Soft Zone....aka ....Orlovsky 4th qtr magic.
    For this reason alone, I fear that the nightmare playoff matchup for NE is Pitt. Wallace and Brown will roam free on our boys. Verses Pitt, man coverage ain't happening....hence the Pats will be forced to play alot of soft zone....leading to numerous goal line D's.... hoping for FGs. Unfortunately, the Pitt D will slow Brady down enough and a low scoring game favors Pitt....sorry
     
  3. satz

    satz 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2006
    Messages:
    1,919
    Likes Received:
    1
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    Disagree . if you think sanchez and bronco`s qb help revis and bailey become better defenders then others i will be shocked.

    The biggest issue is kyle has takens a step forward and sadly no 32 is in position in every one of his catches. he used to turn around at the right moment and either knock the ball or intercept last year. that 1 little timing seem to be off.He used to compete a completion that is what is missing now.

    he has 5 weeks to get a little of this going. if he gets this timing down and works on it ,we are going for a run in the Playoff.
     
  4. IllegalContact

    IllegalContact Pro Bowl Player

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2010
    Messages:
    11,281
    Likes Received:
    169
    Ratings:
    +404 / 4 / -10

    not buying it
     
  5. borg

    borg In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2004
    Messages:
    4,050
    Likes Received:
    109
    Ratings:
    +265 / 18 / -17

    What? QBs aren't being discussed. WR vs DBs on the practice field is the discussion
     
  6. patsfan-1982

    patsfan-1982 In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2007
    Messages:
    4,139
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +45 / 7 / -2

    did i miss something, they did practice vs Brady Welker and Gronk all year right ?
     
  7. borg

    borg In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2004
    Messages:
    4,050
    Likes Received:
    109
    Ratings:
    +265 / 18 / -17

    Week 1....Brandon Marshall....7 for 139.......which Pats receiver can Pats DBs practice against that slightly resemble Marshall........Welker??

    Week 2....Vincent Jackson....10 for 172........hmmmm a pattern. If memory seves me correctly, VJ was doubled and tripled all game, but he was a superior athlete in speed/strength/leaping....no contest

    Week 3....3 WRs and 1RB caught 5 or more passes each for 80 or more yds each. WRs are 6'0", 6'1.5", 6'5"

    Week 4....Heyward Bey....6'2" 210 lbs....4 for 115

    vs Jets....kept Plax in check.....slow ex-con

    vs KC...Bowe 7-87yds....managed to mininimize the deadly Palko-Bowe combo

    Bottomline.....Pats struggle vs the big WR, often getting dominated. Yes, these are great players, but many of these guys had their best output vs the vaunted Pats secondary. Please help me learn how practicing against Welker or Branch gets our DBs prepped for the WR beasts of the NFL.
     
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2011
  8. sbpatfan

    sbpatfan Banned

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2008
    Messages:
    1,930
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Revis is clearly a product of WRs like Braylon Edwards and Plax.
     
  9. patsfan-1982

    patsfan-1982 In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2007
    Messages:
    4,139
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +45 / 7 / -2

    they just ant good a nuff to stop Good/great WR's last year they had Moss for half a season it's dont get any bigger and faster then him they still did not stop anyone if anything they got better when he left
     
  10. borg

    borg In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2004
    Messages:
    4,050
    Likes Received:
    109
    Ratings:
    +265 / 18 / -17

    Revis gets to practice against a miniburner and a tall ex-con. McCourty gets to cover Branch's curl pattern or Wes on his 3rd yd crossing pattern. Which Pats WR is running sideline posts...the pattern QB/WRs are burning McCourty on each game....Stinko?
     
  11. borg

    borg In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2004
    Messages:
    4,050
    Likes Received:
    109
    Ratings:
    +265 / 18 / -17

    McCourty was all world last year (Thanks MOSS)....not this year. Sure I'm reaching some....but be honest, without a physical beast to match up against daily, how can these guys be prepared to succeed vs the the V Jax of the league....they can't and they don't.
     
  12. NSPF

    NSPF Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2010
    Messages:
    641
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    This is the most interesting way of saying we need a "big, physical deep threat" I've seen yet.
     
  13. jmt57

    jmt57 Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2005
    Messages:
    13,393
    Likes Received:
    160
    Ratings:
    +518 / 0 / -3

    Doesn't the starting offensive unit spend most of its time practicing against the opposing reserves and scout team, and visa versa?

    Maybe they got complacent covering the routes run by Taylor Price. :D
     
  14. borg

    borg In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2004
    Messages:
    4,050
    Likes Received:
    109
    Ratings:
    +265 / 18 / -17

    Numbers don't lie.....

    1) Big WRs destroy our DBs
    2) Brady sets records with big WRs

    The two birds one stone theory....run with it
     
  15. borg

    borg In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2004
    Messages:
    4,050
    Likes Received:
    109
    Ratings:
    +265 / 18 / -17

    McCourty doesn't even bother covering Stinko....Stinko either runs the wrong route, drops the ball, or goes all crazy legs and trips over himself.
     
  16. ay-yo

    ay-yo Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    574
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Not buying this AT ALL. If this logic were true:

    we'd have no problem stopping Rodgers since we get to practice against Brady
    we should have a top C since our C practices against Vince.
    NYJ must have great receivers since they practice against Revis.
    Flacco is close to an elite QB after facing a top defense in practice for 3 years.
    Etc
     
  17. ay-yo

    ay-yo Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Joined:
    May 1, 2011
    Messages:
    574
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    Word is Gronk is pretty upset w/ you for not identifying him as a physical beast. Stay safe.
     
  18. TheGodInAGreyHoodie

    TheGodInAGreyHoodie Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2007
    Messages:
    6,631
    Likes Received:
    25
    Ratings:
    +26 / 0 / -0

    My grades on the article:

    A+ for creativity, new angle, reporting something nobody else has reported.

    F for logic, relevence, or having a rational point.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

unset ($sidebar_block_show); ?>