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Could Mike Griffin be the best "S" fit for NE?

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  1. Mogamedogz

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    Considering Revis and Willis are both gone by the time we pick, could Griffin be the BPA on the pats board?? I REALLY love Griffins game.

    He is a nice mix of "intelligence", "aggressiveness", "versatility", and "leadership ability"; a proto-typical Bill Belichick DB.

    Griffin is talented enough to make an immediate impact in our secondary. I think he would thrive under the tutelage of Harrison.

    Like Rodney, he possesses a natural ability to recognize plays immediately, and is swift in pursuit of the action.

    In addition to having solid coverage and “ball hawking” skills, he is also a tremendous Special Teams player, with a knack for blocking punts.


    Check out his highlight reel... watch the "Heads up" play he makes @ :31 seconds into the video. -Griffin Link-

    (Everybody loves a WINNER...)
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    I'm just not shopping for a 200 lb. FS, especially in the first round. I like the 220 lb laddies who start showing up in the third round since I'm looking for another SS who can play FS, LB, maybe "big" CB because there are a couple of them too, and Special Teams. Griffin & Nelson sound like good kids, but they aren't what I hungry for - beef.
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    yeah no rouse here either. Gattis or Jackson for me.
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    i like merriweather, or griffin if we are going S.....id really like houston,revis....
    btw where is hall supposed to go, there was alot of talk about him during the season but i havent heard much about his draft projections...
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    I think he falls in the first round. Wouldn't mind Hall at all.
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    i think Landry would obviously be the best fit but 2nd would probably be Griffin. i wanna say Meriweather but people would get on me about his stomping incident so i wont bother

    but take it away and Meriweather is a leader, smart player, playmaker, hard hitter, plays well against run and pass.

    Griffin is a lesser playmaker but a better overall tackler than anyone but Landry and hes bigger than Meriweather-Nelson
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    Griffin looks like a heady player. He also looks to be an excellent ST gunner which would also improve that unit. So assuming that Willis does not drop to 24 nor does a stud cornerback drop to 24 then yes I could live with Griffin as the Pats 1st round choice. He would upgrade 2 units at once and I would never underestimate special teams in BB's eyes. Griffin also shows to be a solid tackler in almost all those plays. I know it's highlight clips but still the form looks good. Also the last play starting at 3:38 was pretty amazing because I had to rewind it to appreciate it. Griffin strips the ball first then still managed to catch the defender by the ankles for the tackle "just in case." I thought he had messed up the tackle and had to make a desperation ankle grab, but it seems to me that he must have stripped the ball before the tackle took place. Can someone take a look at this and confirm. Did he strip the ball first or did the ball come out as a result of the ankle tackle? Hmm I'm not sure now.

    This scout has Griffin rated as more of a top of the 2nd round prospect.
    http://seahawks.scout.com/2/626739.html

    Hrrm. I guess I still covet Reggie Nelson more. :)

    Ran a 4.3 on his pro day! :eek:
    http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070308/GATORS01/70308003

    Draft profile
    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=5953
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    I still like Merriweather myself but I realize that Griffin's ST play will push him up a lot in Belichick's mind.
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    Deja Vu all over again. Your link is the same story as the link I posted about Griffin. Just with different web addresses indicated! :)
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    LOL. That story really backs up the Eugene Wilson comparison.
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    I like Griffin at 28, he and some of the OG/OT combos look like the best value. I am not worried about Griffin's size especially at FS, just look at Bob Sanders, Ed Reed, Polamalu for impact players that play at around 200 lbs.

    Side Note - Polamalu is a free agent after this season... hmm...

    I think Griffin has a lower upside than Nelson but don't think Nelson will be there at 24 so Griffin becomes a very good value pick at 28.

    What I like most about him is he can tackle, a missed tackle or bad angle by a Safety always results in a big play (see Antrell Hawkins).

    Football Futures lists him at 23
    http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/prospects/michael_griffin.html
    "In a safety class that is shaping up to be very talented at the top, Griffin has solidified himself amongst the elite. He is arguably the top safety in the draft, stacking up with Landry and Nelson. He will have an impact from the start, and could be a pro bowler someday."
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    Yeah I like Landry and Nelson better because they are faster with more upside. But Griffin has good all around skills. Add his solid tackling ability to his excellent ST play and you have what looks to be a Patriots type player. He has lower upside than the other two safeties but it might be worth reaching for him at 28 because he would go early in the 2nd and Safety is an area of need for the Pats.

    LOL, adding Polamalu to this team would be ridiculously good. I don't think the Steelers are dumb enough to let him go though. He will be tagged and extended.

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    I agree with most of this. Except for the fact that Griffin has lower upside than Nelson (in the Pats system). Nelson may have the better natural physical ability, but in the right situation, Griffin's upside could be just as high as Nelson's.

    The problem with taking Griffin @ 1.28, is the risk of losing him to Philly; who I am fairly certain will take him if we leave him on the board.

    My thinking is...if we dont take a S @ 1.24, we probably will not take one in the first round. I just dont see them taking Merri-Thug.
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    What if Landry falls to 17 or so do you pull the trigger on a trade?
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    IF Landry falls to 16 NE better trade with GB. You know the 2 for 2 deal i've been talking about.
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    Landry and Harris. I will be doing cart-wheels. If I could that is ;)
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    I'd pull the trigger on a trade at ANY point in the draft if I knew it would get us high enough to take Landry.
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    Yourself, Remix, and I seem to be on the same wave length with a lot of these guys. I like Meriweather too, and have since day one. I don't talk about him much anymore because everytime I do someone jumps down my throat saying "NE will never pick that thug!". Basically he is the Safety I wan't after Landry, and I hope they pick him. I am not saying I think they will, but if they do I'll jump for joy, lol. I don't really mind Griffin either. The only problem I have with him is inconsistancy. One game Griffin will look awsome, and the next he will look "blah". I don't see how anyone could call him soft, though (Fan on ESPN board). I also wish Buster Davis wasn't so small because I love his game. I watched him a lot these past few years, and he has been one of my favorite defensive players. If only he could grow three inches...
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    Merriweather is interesting, in theory he could play as the 5th CB and the 2nd FS in year 1. Kinda of a 2:1.

    Luckily we are above the "3 inch" jokes :)
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    One of the guys on NFL Network's path to the draft tonight while going over the Texas Pro Day said that Griffin is being compared to Lawyer Milloy. That was the first time I had heard that comparision and I don't really see it. Outside of them both being heavy hitters I'm not sure where they are coming from.
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    Griffin is the guy for NE @ 1.24. Im telling you guys. Feel good if we draft him. He can step right in our secondary and contribute right away. Proto-typical BB guy.

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    No, he probably won't be the BPA @ 24, but ought to be considered @ 28.

    1) Griffin is currently ranked in the early part of round two or as a late first by the majority. Any prospect in that range fits as a # 28 option for the Pats.

    2) Along with a few other positions, Safety will be a strong position to fill somewhere on day one, simply because of the obvious need, and of the amount of interest shown by the Pats -- 6 Safeties have been linked to the Pats. The fact that we don't have a 2nd-rounder means our Safety options are at #24, #28, and round 3. We could wait until R4 -- but do we really want to wait that long (unless we draft two)?

    3) Landry will be gone by #24, leaving Nelson as a possibility in that slot, with Merriweather and Griffin as potential targets at #28. Another Safety prospect to consider next is Eric Weddle. #28 seems rather early for him, but remember -- we don't have a 2nd-rounder and he fits as a Pats-type player. Doubt he makes it to our 3rd pick.

    4) Griffin just had a terrific Pro Day. IMO, his workout solidifies his late first value. He improved on his Combine numbers by running between 4.39 and 4.41. Also improved his vertical jump to 39 1/2" from 36".

    IMO, Griffin does have some flaws in his game, as all of the Safeties do. But his production, versatility, athleticism, ST ability, all warrant him as a clear #28 option.
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    Although I would prefer Nelson, I wouldn't cry if we got Griffin. He's a 200 pounder who hits like he's 220. I like the line "he hits like it's personal". Give him a year learning with Rodney and we'd be set for 5 or 6 years.
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    Ranked BY WHO in the 2nd round?? lol- Are you serious?? You think Griffin will be drafted in the second round?? That is absurd. Second Round??

    Dude..im not trying to knock your draft knowledge. But I HAVE to question it, if you are entertaining the idea that Reggie Nelson will be there @ 1.24.

    To me, anyone who REALLY believes that there is a chance of that happening, has not done their draft homework. (No offense).

    The bottom line is, unless we take Griffin @ 24, we can kiss him goodbye. He will not be there @28. Philly will take him.

    We will have to take Merri-Thug, who has MAJOR character flaws (and IMO is not nearly as good a tackler as Griffin), not to mention Griff has "Exceptional" special team skills. OR... Eric Weddle, who is WAYYY over-hyped. Particularly by Mel Kiper.

    For saftey we basically have these options...

    a. Trade up to go after Nelson (not likely)

    b. Take Griffin @ 24

    C. Take Merri-Thug or Weddle @ 28
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    I keep going back and forth on Griffin. Sometimes I see him always in the mix, hitting people and making plays while at other times I see him give the old 'OLE and miss tackles badly. I just am not sure what one he is.
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    I agree. I think his draft stock was inflated @ the begining of the year. Now he seems to be settling into 38-49 overall, which I think is just about right.
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    I think you should learn to be more polite to Mr Seneschal, he has proved to me over the last month that he does his research. I don't know where you get off taking on another poster like that w/ o backing it up w/ any facts. If you have any questions about ratings, you can go into this thread:
    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=49875&page=5
    W/ the more recent postings being the more up to date. Currently, Griffin sits between 29-48. That would be a second rounder in my view.
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