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Could have had Dashon Goldson with what Pats paid Steve Gregory


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Goldson said himself, that Patriots "low ball-ed him" and offered less than what Niners offered.

Undestandable.

But, sometimes, Patriots "low-balling" method, backfires. This is one case.

Not everyone wants to play for the Patriots, for peanuts !

Please provide a quote. Considering the 49ers offered him an one year $2 million deal which he accepted, the Pats would have had to offer him close to an one year deal at the veteran's minimum to be lower than the 49ers offered.

I remember specifically at the time the Pats were to have reported to offer him a multiyear deal. There wasn't much interest in Goldson because he had a bust of a season the year before and the Pats obviously didn't offer him top dollar because of it. In fact they were the only team interested in Goldson other than the 49ers which speaks to how low his value was at the time.

Goldson could have felt the Pats low balled him because he felt he deserved very good to elite safety money and they were offer a deal similar to what Gregory got.

Sorry, but I cannot blame the Pats for not shelling out top dollar for a player that even his own team offered an one year prove it contract for short money and no other team even showed any interest. Let's not act like Goldson was the Goldson of the last two years and the Pats offered the veteran minimum to him after that performance.
 
Why look back in hindsight and blame the Pats for this, when we can do it in the present! I didn't get the Gregory signing last year and after seeing him play this year, I really don't get it. Terrible signing. Here's hoping Tavon Wilson or Ebner turn into something.

Gregory was a decent player with the Chargers. He was decent down the stretch with the Pats. He was never slated for the SS enforcer role that he was thrown into because Chung totally fell apart this season. I think if Chung lived up to his promise, people wouldn't be slamming Gregory nearly as much. Also, Gregory probably would have been more of a rotational guy too.

Gregory wasn't a great signing, but considering he signed for three years and $6.75 million it wasn't a horrible deal. And if Goldson would have signed for a deal that cheap, he would be a Patriot right now.
 
It's amazing how much history has been rewritten since Goldson became a "Pro Bowl" player.

Damn straight. It is funny how people kill the Pats for not giving this guy top safety money when he ended up signing with the 49ers for a $2 million one year deal and no other team even offered him a contract. That is the same as slamming the Jets for not drafting Tom Brady in 2000 because he was a future HOF and possibly the best QB of all time.
 
The amount he's getting paid doesn't bother me as much as the 3 year part. At the time of the deal McCourty was a corner and a FS compliment to Chung was the need at safety, but 3 years is a long ass time in the NFL. Gregory also isn't going to get better with more experience in the system, his problems last year were physical limitations and being unathletic.

Don't even worry about the 3rd year part, because he will almost certainly be gone after this upcoming 2013 season. Unless of course, he shows them something a lot better than last year and raises his game to a new level, but none of us are counting on that.

This will almost definitely be his last year here, and at 2.2 million it really isn't quite as bad as some are making it out to be. Improvement can definitely be made to not only reduce the cap hit but increase the talent and that would be ideal, but in the meantime it should provide the team with a nice backup and rotational player who has some experience in the system and is probably just as good a choice as a lot of other guys in that price range. At least for the next season anyway. Hopefull then Wilson and any potential rookie or FA signing will show them more.
 
Gregory was a decent player with the Chargers. He was decent down the stretch with the Pats. He was never slated for the SS enforcer role that he was thrown into because Chung totally fell apart this season. I think if Chung lived up to his promise, people wouldn't be slamming Gregory nearly as much. Also, Gregory probably would have been more of a rotational guy too.

Gregory wasn't a great signing, but considering he signed for three years and $6.75 million it wasn't a horrible deal. And if Goldson would have signed for a deal that cheap, he would be a Patriot right now.

Gregory was an improvement for some of the depth and rotational issues that have plagued the team in the past couple/few years at the position. I agree that he shouldn't be meant to be a starter, and no one wants to see him at that role next season.

Much ado about nothing in my opinion.
 
2.2 million is way too much for an undersized backup FS who can't tackle.

I wasn't fond of the deal when it was made but gave the Patriots the benefit of the doubt that they were seeing something I wasn't seeing. Clearly wasn't the case. His contract is way too big. He should be a minimum salary player.

$2.2 million is good back up money in the NFL today. Matthew Slater as a special teams specialist has a larger cap hit.

And let's not act like Gregory did nothing. He made some big plays down the stretch. He shouldn't be a starter, but he could be a very good rotational guy.
 
Please provide a quote. Considering the 49ers offered him an one year $2 million deal which he accepted, the Pats would have had to offer him close to an one year deal at the veteran's minimum to be lower than the 49ers offered.

I remember specifically at the time the Pats were to have reported to offer him a multiyear deal. There wasn't much interest in Goldson because he had a bust of a season the year before and the Pats obviously didn't offer him top dollar because of it. In fact they were the only team interested in Goldson other than the 49ers which speaks to how low his value was at the time.

Goldson could have felt the Pats low balled him because he felt he deserved very good to elite safety money and they were offer a deal similar to what Gregory got.

Sorry, but I cannot blame the Pats for not shelling out top dollar for a player that even his own team offered an one year prove it contract for short money and no other team even showed any interest. Let's not act like Goldson was the Goldson of the last two years and the Pats offered the veteran minimum to him after that performance.

49ers safety Goldson reflects on visit with the Patriots - Extra Points - Boston.com
 
Gregory and McCourty at safety are too similar.

Both play a center field type role and neither are a physical force.
 

Ok, so I was wrong at least based on Goldson's side of the story.

Either way, big whoop. So you are going to kill the Pats for not paying for a guy who got two offers while a free agent. One was one year and $2 million and the other was less. That says that no one wanted the guy even the 49ers who were willing to give him one more year to redeem himself.

Again, you cannot blame the Pats for that. No one thought highly of Goldson. Not even the 49ers. If anyone wanted him, he would have certainly gotten more than one year, $2 million.
 
ok, so i was wrong at least based on goldson's side of the story.

Either way, big whoop. So you are going to kill the pats for not paying for a guy who got two offers while a free agent. One was one year and $2 million and the other was less. That says that no one wanted the guy even the 49ers who were willing to give him one more year to redeem himself.

Again, you cannot blame the pats for that. No one thought highly of goldson. Not even the 49ers. If anyone wanted him, he would have certainly gotten more than one year, $2 million.

quoted for truth
 
Ok, so I was wrong at least based on Goldson's side of the story.

Either way, big whoop. So you are going to kill the Pats for not paying for a guy who got two offers while a free agent. One was one year and $2 million and the other was less. That says that no one wanted the guy even the 49ers who were willing to give him one more year to redeem himself.

Again, you cannot blame the Pats for that. No one thought highly of Goldson. Not even the 49ers. If anyone wanted him, he would have certainly gotten more than one year, $2 million.

Safety was a problem for Patriots. If Patriots even "equal" the 2m offer, Goldson would've been a Patriot. That was what Goldson hinted at in the article.

Problem with Patriots is that they always low-ball in negotiations. In this case, Patriots are not breaking the bank for a 1yr 2m gamble.

You theory about nobody wanted him is false. Patriots would not waste time on bringing someone in, and giving an offer, even if low, unless Patriots see something in them.
 
The Goldson situation is reflective of how timing is everything. The Pats had Goldson in for a visit in early August of 2011, and he chose to re-sign with the 49ers on August 8. Adam Schefter had this to say at the time:



Dashon Goldson follow-up - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

"The team was deep at the position". Wow.

Goldson re-signed with SF on August 8. The Pats had released Brandon McGowan on August 7 after re-signing him on July 30, so presumably they were looking at Goldson as a rotational safety along with Meriweather and Chung the way McGowan (and Page) had been. In that situation, their $2M offer makes sense - not bad money, but not projecting Goldson as a long term starter.

On August 29 the Pats released James Sanders. On September 3 they released Brandon Meriweather. And they had nothing. And I'm sure at that point they wished they had made a more concerted attempt to sign Goldson.

How quickly things change.

It mainly makes me wonder, not about how the Pats handled the Goldson situation, but what happened between August 8 and August 29-September 3 that made BB decide to utterly gut the safety position?

A very good question.

I would love to know the answer to that.
 
Safety was a problem for Patriots. If Patriots even "equal" the 2m offer, Goldson would've been a Patriot. That was what Goldson hinted at in the article.

Problem with Patriots is that they always low-ball in negotiations. In this case, Patriots are not breaking the bank for a 1yr 2m gamble.

You theory about nobody wanted him is false. Patriots would not waste time on bringing someone in, and giving an offer, even if low, unless Patriots see something in them.

Yes, the Pats thought Goldson was going to turn into the Pro Bowler he came so they "wisely" offered hin an one year, sub $2 million contract. This was clearly a huge win for the Pats because when he exploded last year and became an UFA, the Pats could the have the opportunity to use the franchise tag on him and lose Wes Welker or use the franchise tag on Welker and lose Goldson or be forced to make him the highest paid safety in the league before he made it to free agency.

Seems just like the forward thinking that Belichick always looks for. You have the opportunity to get a player you really like at a real bargain and only lock him up for one year so it screws you in the next year by seriously having to over pay for that player or lose that player or another impact player because of it.

Seriously, do you read what you are writing. If the Pats really liked Goldson and thought he was going to be 60% the player he was the last few years, they would have offered him a multiyear deal with a signing bonus more than $2 million. If they really thought so, they would have easily offered him Gregory's contract or more. In fact, if any team believed that, they would have offered him a Gregory contract or more.

The Pats do not low ball the lower tier paid guys who they think they are getting at their lowest market value. They overpay those guys. They don't pay the top guys at least until recently.

Again, no one wanted Goldson enough to offer him more than an one year, value contract for him to prove his worth. Not the Pats. Not the 49ers. Not anyone.

Maybe Goldson only wanted an one year deal. Many players didn't like the money they were getting offered in 2011 and chose to only play for an one year deal and cash in during free agency in 2012. The Pats then knew the odds of keeping him in 2012 were slim and none since they needed the franchise tag for Welker and he would want to test free agency if he had a good year.

I'm sorry, but if Goldson was such a bargain at one year, $2 million; some one would have paid more. This league is devoid of good safety talent and if Goldson was such a good risk, some one would have paid it. The fact of the matter was he was going into his fifth year in 2011

As Sciz said, people are rewriting history now that he turned into a Pro Bowler. Many people thought Goldson was an one year wonder in 2009 since he was mediocre in 2010 and a back up his first two seasons.
 
A very good question.

I would love to know the answer to that.

Isn't it obvious? :confused:

Sergio Brown was the next coming of Jesus/Ronnie Lott/Rodney Harrison before suffering an explosive attack of amnesia after running into the goalpost in the final practice before the opener.

There have been a handful of instances where BB cut someone loose without having a replacement who could be described as barely marginal. Hell, when they traded Branch, they only had two WR's on the roster.
 
Hell, even Diggy would've been a better STer/backup SS than Nate Ebner, who would've been
better-served plying his trade on the PS instead of on the game-day roster, where he helped
lose a game to the Arizona feckin Cardinals.
 
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