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Couild someone explain this Zogby/Newsmax Discrepancy/Lie??

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  1. DarrylS

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    Came across this first in Worldnet, an article by Dick Morris that indicates that McCain has creeped ahead of Obama..

    Newsmax.com – Zogby Shocker: McCain Leads Obama In Latest Poll

    Now from Zogby..

    Zogby International

     
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    I know, guess my disbelief has to do with such disengenuous reporting..

    Hey Patters you are green again.. congrats..
     
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    It sounds like Dick Morris and Newsmax are being stupid. A legit pollster is only required to have a properly weighted sample at the end of the polling period, not all during it. It could be that people started turning against Obama on Friday for no discernible reason; but a more likely reason is that the poll acquired more democrats on Wednesday/Thursday and only came into balance when it took more Republican data on Friday.
     
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    If it lasts too long, it means I'm being too nice to the righties!
     
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    IMO it is the stupidest thing on this board, wish there was a way to disable it.. particularly as it seems to be manipulated by a certain few.. I would fade to black if I could.
     
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    The "Politically Correct Liars" and the millions who say "Nothing" might get McCain elected, in a close race those things happen.

    Wouldn't it be nice if The Messiah took his Poor Old Aunt out to McDonalds today and bought her a
    "Happy Meal".
     
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    Please clarify..
     
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    The people who lie when polled.

    The people who sit home and say nothing, they have no bumper stickers, no signs on their lawn, they make themselves heard in "The Booth"

    The typical reaction from the Double Standard Far Left Wing to the "Zogby Poll", Censor It, Destroy It, Book Burn It, we don't like it so it should not exist.
    Doesn't all that sound a little like "The Pelosi Gang" and their plans for Talk Radio?
     
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    #15 Jersey

    There was an article on polling about a week ago. The jist of it was that polling was not a clear cut sample of calls/questions made to the sample group. After the polling took place, the pollster then put the answers through some criteria that they felt justified the poll. That would explain why an organization such as Fox News or NY Times are way off from other polls.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    There was no lie. You guys are sad.

    The one point lead for McCain was a ONE DAY poll. Those results are usually not released, they were this time just because it was a big shock. The three day average is what is released and McCain hasn't, and didn't, pass Obama in that. It was correct to say that "Friday's polling showed McCain ahead" - however that doesn't mean the 3 day polls which included Friday showed that.
     
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    There is some hyperbole, as in the past there were posts indicating that Zogby should be revered.. if you did not notice most posts tend to exaggerate..

    So this is correct..

     
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    #24 Jersey

    More than likely it was a one day aberation. Is Morris right about GOPTrust.com ? We can only hope ;) I don't think so, though. The only hope is in early voting the young vote doesn't seem to be coming out as expected. Unfortunately the oldies are voting for Obama because he's scared them on social security although McCain won't be changing it either. Obama will be the Liar in Chief soon enough; give him credit, he's good at it. I can't wait for that tax cut I'm supposed to get.
     
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    Zogby didn't say what they wanted to hear so "it's wrong" it should be destroyed and dismissed,
    (hitler book burning)
     
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    So it was not a seismic shift as described by Morris??.. personally that guy cracks me up, when it is all said and done betcha he went to the right for the dollar..
     
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    I don't trust the polls. Palin will win.
     
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    You might be right-----:singing:
     
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    Zogby has a history of these wild fluctuations. As stated earlier, a poll that relies on a 3 day sample is useless if it is releasing sampling from only 1 of the 3 days. We are talking about only 400 people being polled, on Halloween Night! it only takes a switch of 15 people to create a wild swing of 8 points.

    It was stupid and disengenious for Drudge and for Sean Hannity ( big surprise) to make a big deal of this.

    there are tons of polls out there. take an average and you'll get an idea on where the race stands, or let realclearpolitics.com or pollster.come do the work for you.

    Per the polling, Obama has a solid 5 or 6 point lead as of now. And is in even better shape in the electoral college.

    The fairly conservative Rasmussen ( who appears often on Fox) gives Obama a 51-46 today and says of the people who have done early voting Obama has the edge 56-39.
     
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    God Damn Zogby

    :singing::singing:
     
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    nah, just unreliable Zogby.

    And disingenious Drudge and Hannity.
     

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