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  1. Gicksauce

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    CB is the only position (besides QB) where Belichick/Pioli have never used a 1st round pick, made a trade, or made a significant free agent signing

    Why is that?
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    Good question.
    Maybe we'll go for another DB high in the draf this year!
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    Nah I'm thinking they'll take a TE this year
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    I'll ask BB when I see him next. :rolleyes:
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    Who cares? The more I see CBs the more they are the same, outside a very small number.

    Look at the teams the Patriots have played, the Colts played a CB who was three days off the street to go against Moss. The Jets had aging Ty Law, Hank Poteat and a 4th rounder (Lowery).

    CB is the new RB, unless there is a total stud it is not worth a 1st round pick.
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    Their CBs are constantly getting burned for huge games

    They used to be able to cover it up with a stud front 7 and defensive schemes, but now the D is aging and the schemes aren't fooling anyone


    You're telling me having Ty Law back in 2001 didn't make a significant difference? Did you see the Super Bowl?
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    I think the schemes have been dumbed down and are not nearly as complicated as they used to be because we do not have the players to execute them.
    The front seven has no pass rush demon and the secondary is completely bereft of playmakers. A very bad combination!
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    they traded for daune starks a3 rd rounder
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    I think they would have picked up a DB in the first round this year had they not lost it to the Spygate fiasco. I think they had Leodis McKelvin(sp?) on their chart. They will always draft on primary need and best value.
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    lmao. Gick, the d is aging? well, duh. That's because people grow a year older, every year. :eek: Now if you meant to say, the D is old, you would be incorrect. Go look at the average age. The defense is actually getting younger, compared to previous years.

    As for the SB? I watched it, but I doubt you did, being that you were probably 5 at the time. :rolleyes:
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    I read that Belichick became a secondary coach after being a special teams coach, and it didnt go so well, the CBs didn't listen to him, etc.

    I think he has a complex against them now
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    Im sure you're right. Now please go start a thread titled "BB has a complex"

    I just want to see the responses:D
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    You're forgetting the Jets traded up to get Darrelle Revis in

    the first round in 2008.
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    ugh, i really hope they do not take another TE in the first round. id rather trade our 2nd acquired from San Diego and attempt to obtain Winslow
  15. Gicksauce

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    Main teem needs:

    CBs
    OL (RT)
    OLB (vrabel is getting old)



    ILBs are set for the future, Mayo and Guyton
    Safeties are set, Sanders and Merry
    QB is set, O'Connell
    Welker is young still, the DL has a few more years

    CB is far and away the top need
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    Ty Law was on the roster when Belichick took over the team and

    was released before the 2005-2006 season. Asante Samuel was

    drafted in 2003 in the 4th round and Ellis Hobbs in 2005 in the 3rd

    round. The only significant free agent signing was Ty Poole in

    2003. Ty Poole was a pretty good player until he started having

    injury problems.
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    They have not used a 1st rouder, made a trade nor singned a significant free agent on CB, OT, FB and of course QB.
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    They have used 1st rounders on O-linemen, which counts for OT

    FB isn't even a real position
    Using a 1st rounder on a HB counts for that

    QB they had bledsoe when they started and then brady was a fluke
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    If you're going to get silly about grouping, they have used first rounders on safeties, which counts for DB.


    Time for you to get back to the video games...
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    Actually, the Patriots traded a 3rd round pick for Duane Starks in a 5th round pick back..

    However, Starks was injured all the time and wasn't very good, though the trade looked solid at the time
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    1) The D isn't aging. This is MEDIA BS and you've clearly bought into it. Yes, Vrabel, Bruschi, Thomas, and Harrison are all over 30, but look at the rest.
    2) The Pats aren't using many different schemes right now because of the amount of playing time they are having to give Mayo, Guyton and Woods.
    3) You do realize that Ty Law is only about an inch taller than the CBs we have right now, yes?
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    Where did you read that BB wasn't successful as a secondary coach?
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    He read it in his "how to play madden football" manual :D
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    This thread really belongs over in the Draft room. Where there is at least one other thread on the Needs for the Pats.

    I don't agree with you that CB is THE top need. I also can't agree with you about the safety position as Sanders is a UFA after this season. Also, you need more than 2 quality ILBs to effectively run the 3-4.

    The Pats will likely look at a player who can play RG or RT. They will probably draft a corner. Definitely draft a TE who can block. Probably a DE in the Seymour mold. They should pick up a safety unless they find one in free agency.

    I am not sure they will pick an OLB. As I stated in another thread, Woods is an RFA. Vrabel is signed through 2009. Thomas is signed as well. Crable is a young player who the Pats have very high hopes for in terms of rushing the Passer. The only way I can see them drafting an OLB is if they don't bring back Woods or Vrabel.
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    In that book about him, by Halberstam or whatever the author's name is
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    Harrison is basically retired now. Bruschi needs to retire. Vrabel will be done within the next 2 years. Adalius should have some decent time left. Seymour is pushing 30. Hobbs plays like he's 50.


    If the CBs we have now could actually play like Ty Law circa 2001 then they'd be fine with me
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    Hobbs doesn't play like he's 50. But I guess since you can't keep your stories straight, you have to make things up. As for Seymour, so what that he's pushing 30. What does that have to do with anything. The fact is that the defense as a whole, is younger than it was last year.


    No it wouldn't be fine with you. You'd just find something else to b!tch about. You also seem to forget that the rules regarding DBs has changed since 2001. But, I guess, as a troll, you want to ignore that.
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    Uh huh.. sure..
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    yeah the CBs are bad because of the rules change

    good one
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    I am shocked you guys are giving into a troll so easily just look at his damn signature.
    Anyone that even remotely thinks play a video games is anywhere close to the real thing is just asking for trouble
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