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  1. NEfan32

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    I feel like this has been a underrated issue by many on the defense with people talking about age of safeties, linebackers etc. But the corners on this team are awful.

    They are giving up huge plays this preseason, and they are not even close to the receivers. Fernando Bryant has been a huge disappointment, while Ellis Hobbs just sucks. He is never even close to a receiver. He is a good nickel and dime package player. Our 3rd stringer is a rookie.

    If we don't get a decent corner teams will just throw the ball all day long. I did not think the loss of Asante was a big deal, but now I do since we have no one to replace him.
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    lmao 10char....
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    Let's not let Litto Sheppard out of town. A number two now.
    Rodney looked decent. The rest awful. Where are all you James Sanders lovers? This guy should be a cut. Wheatley looked mismatched. Hobbs is a nickel back only, period. Well Hobbs and Wheatley are what, 5' 6" (5' 9" ? right) anyway.....Oh yeah, but they can jump. Ask Plex.
    Hopefully the Cassel experiment is done now.
    Woods looked o.k. and so did Teddy. Seymour was fine but Vince is off. That's it. What is with Alexander? He looked as bad as James Sanders.
    Any safeties out there on the wire?
    DW Toys
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    With our front seven and some Dom Capers magic we can make any CBs look good....

    Brutal effort by the defense, it is like they are gliding. Lets hope they can flip the switch in two weeks. Right now it looks like you should put Larry Johnson down for 150 yards...

    If the Patriots make the playoffs this year I am never watching a pre-season game again.
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    If our Front seven would help the secondary out, that might be helpful. The front seven definately hasn't been helping out our secondary.
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    i think something went vastly un-noticed last yr
    we had a very mediocre defense

    the reason the defense looked good was because the offense was simply amazing, making the opposing team one-dimensional

    on paper i thought the defense looked better this yr
    but better than "mediocre" is just "decent"
    and it could be argued that the biggest losses (asante, seau) out-weighed the greatest gains (mayo, crable, wheatley, bryant)
    without Tom in at qb our offense is pathetic we all know that, and we knew that coming in, but what i'm worried about is if the offense isnt amazing just how "decent" will the defense look this yr
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    I guess we just have to play dime and nickle all the time even on first down.

    But seriously, what you see is what you get other than Ty Law being a possibility. we ain't trading for no one.
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    weren't they like 4th in the NFL last year in total defense?
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    Bryant is done, to be honest, he should be cut, he has shown zonk, nada this pre-season, he's been Jason David like, freakin ugly............

    Hobbs is what he is. His coverage skills are limited, but he's got heart, to be honest, he's a good nickel back and that's all he'll ever be. He's picked on week in and week out. How would DRC look right now ? He's lighting it up in Arizona............

    Wheatley is better than either one of these guys and he better be starting against KC.
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    to get DRC means no Mayo and we'd be tallking about hobson being unproductive
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    WE could have had DRC and Curtis Lofton or DRC and Dan Connor. DRC is going to be special, real special. Deion Sanders special. We passed on this to take Mayo. I'm hoping Mayo can be just as special.
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    First and foremost, if Hobbs is never even "close" to a receiver, how do you know he's even in the area? If he wasn't "close" you wouldn't see him on your tv right? Is he out there playing with the cheerleaders or what?

    Second of all how do YOU determine that Hobbs "sucks" and is a "good nickel and dime package player"? Explain this in detail please. What the hell makes him suck as a starter but be good as a nickel player, and when have you seen him as the nickel/dime back?

    We are not playing to the strengths of this secondary right now, nor should we be in the friggin PREEEEEEEEEEE season. Throughout the year the defensive schemes and gameplans will be more tailored towards the strengths of our defense. BB and the coaches are more focused on the fringe players in the pre-season. Players that are very close can win/lose a job in the preseason.

    Sure we have not had many bright spots this pre-season, but there are a lot of guys not playing. It's extremely difficult to judge a secondary without taking into account the entire defense, as well as the schemes.

    Just relax a little bit, and wait for the season to start. Every year it's the same thing with people exaggerating about how something is terrible, yet at the end of the year there is nothing that proves it.
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    Is this a serious statement? Do you actually expect the patriots to NOT make the playoffs? I mean really????
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    CB is something that i have been complaining about. The problem with relying the front 5 is we will loose if the front 5 doesn't deliver or hurts bad.
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    If they had a half decent pass rush and was able to put some pressure on the QB it would not be so tough on the CB's
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    It couldn't possibly be the D playing soft n the preseason, could it?

    No f'in way!
    /sarcasm

    WAKE UP PEOPLE!
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    the CBs are a weakness but we knew that before the preseason....
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    I think they will, it just goes to show how futile the pre-season is.
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    Listen closely..........It's only a P-R-E-S-E-A-S-O-N game. All this team needs is to rest the starters and an opponent like KC at home to open the season and you'll see a pass-rush when all of the starters are playing full-tilt!
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    Considering the Pats have been playing a soft zone defense all preseason that is designed to give up the short play and not the long play, I don't see the secondary as big as a problem. They have Hobbs and Bryant playing so far off the ball sometimes that I think they are playing a prevent defense.

    It is the preseason for criminy sakes. We haven't had our complete first defense play a single down all preseason (only Seymour, Wilfork, Mayo, and Bruschi have played every game with the first team). There has been no scheming.
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    LOL They need more than a jolt of Pepsi Max, more like pre season Zanex prescriptions should be mandatory around here.
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    Lets see Hobbs played last year with a bad shoulder and a hernia maybe that affected his play just a little. A few years ago when Ty Law left everyone was saying the same thing about Asante nothing more than a nickel back what is he now. By the way why wasn't Asante playing Plaxico in the Superbowl?
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    Special teams looked bad in this game, but let's be honest, that's probably the LAST thing to get squared away in camp. The final roster spots are usually those who can fill in on ST, so there's a lot of different bodies mixing and matching right now.

    Take out those 14 points, and was our D really THAT bad? We gave up some long drives, but only when the offense couldn't stay on the field. The D was gassed by the second quarter.

    I saw our secondary make solid tackles and hit hard. When the offense can sustain a drive (Hell, even Guts did a better job of this and it showed), the D was quicker to the ball. When you combine a solid offense with our starting D being in a REAL game (aka, playing high energy football), you're going to see everyone looking better. Including our corners.

    Let's not forget we were without Warren, Thomas, and Meriweather. Those are two probowlers and probably our best safety so far this preseason. That's nothing to scoff at, and it still took 20 minutes of first half football to make the D look bad.
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    Kudos. Well stated.
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    Good grief - DW this may be your most disappointing post ever.

    All the chicken littles have made me rethink what I used to think was a pretty intelligent group of posters.

    I just hope the crow the Nancy negatives are about to eat goes down really well and y'all fess up to it come September.

    Give me a break.
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    Would all you Chicken littles figure out that the Pats are NOT playing anything but a vanilla defense, let us know. Other teams are downright game-planning. The patriots aren't.

    So, please save your stupid evaluations. Especially on guys like Hobbs and Sanders. Guys who are better than any of you schmucks ocmplaining about them
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    DRC is going to be a bust. Plain and simple.

    Dan Connor and Curtis lofton just are not good fits for this defense.

    Every year people whine and cry about the CBs or the safeties or the LBers or the WRs. You all just need something to cry about... Its got nothing to do with an actual evaluation of the team.
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    I agree on one hand. The Pats are playing base defenses with a very passive secondary regardless of down and distance.

    I don't agree that other teams are outright game planning for the Patriots. They are beating them off the ball and winning the vast majority of matchups. McNabb doesn't need a game plan to complete an easy toss on 3rd and 6 when the secondary is giving a 10-12 yard cushion.

    I just think its wrong to think this is happening because the opponents are coming in with a full game plan in a pre-season game because its so effing important to beat the Patriots.

    The Eagles are in a tough division but I maintain they are still a playoff contender. They're not going to spin their wheels by putting anything more than a cursory game plan (same as the Pats) in place for a pre-season game.

    The Pats are just flat and lethargic on both sides of the ball. They can't pass protect and they can't get a rush themselves. They improved on rush defense last night but generally they haven't done that well either, while the offense is in a perpetual 2nd and 14 because they can't win a physical or athletic matchup against their opponents. Consequently the backs and receivers don't look good on offense, and the secondary looks like it can't stop anybody. But oit all starts on the line of scrimmage which to me is the reason they've played so badly these last few weeks.
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    Hey good, lets start out slow this year and build for the end of the season. Then Mayo, Crable, Wheatley, Bryant and whoever will jell to support our starters and all will be well.

    I will only worry if Tom doesn't not play against KC and if KC wins regardless of who is playing QB for the Pats.
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    Cousin,
    I have never jumped on the band wagon for these CBs so I can't be a "chicken little". I was dismayed when they picked another smurf DB second round. Hey, I hope he becomes the next Darrel Green, but so far he rots.
    All this "yeah, but he can jump crap" is BS. You have a shot to get a number one talented CB like Sheppard which takes the pressure off the rest of the smurfs although Bryant is a little bigger. Litto banged around Moss pretty good I thought.
    I hoped they would draft a safety, but nyet on that one too. The percentages of draft choice from 1-7 making an impact on the team are slim. One or two maybe. If I see a trade that I think would help this team I comment on it. It's just me thoughts. You have CAP issues and trade values to consider I know. I get shouted down but my facts are not way off. Seriously for all the hot shots out there, which one of our DBs would start for any other team in the NFL right now except Harrison? This would be an interesting thread. I feel the answer is "0".
    I make many mistakes in whatever I do. Ask my wife. I just think if I was blessed in a position of authority on an NFL F.O., it's time for agonizing reappraisal on DBs.
    You can talk about we are playing vanilla and playing back but I have seen no spark, want or desire in any DB (Harrison excepting). It's lazy, missed tackles and watching the WR catch the ball. These lead to bad habits.
    Do I think the Pats will be successful?, of course. We still need a good solid CB and then we can filter in these kids.
    Don't get me going on James Sanders. Nice tackle 40 yards down field on a punt return that did not count anyway. We need Merriweather back for game one.
    Cousin it is fun to make comments about what you feel and say about the team here. That is why we participate. At the end of the day, it does not make any difference in what you and I or the hot shots think.
    I just see a long year for the DBs we have.
    DW Toys
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