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    Darn! There goes that Colts fan's idea that the Indy DL would be better than the Patriots if Simon stepped up.
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    I'd take our starting 3 over their starting d-line and backups.
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    your starting three wouldnt fit our system, and ive expected this for a while with simons cap hit, one darkhorse i belive in the NT race is quinn pitt**** the rookie we drafted out of Ohio state this season, was expected to go in the first round near the begening of the season, one reason or another dropped down quite a bit but hes a perfect fit for the system we run.
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    whether im running a 3-4 or 4-3 dont matter to be Id still take our front 3 I think there that much better then the colts d-line just my opinion.
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    Well In a 4-3 I would still prefer our 3 guys, and then one of the back-ups.
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    I would not take wilfat in the 4-3, really richard seymour is one of the players that is so talented you can plug him into the 4-3 and hed work well. Wilfat is soely made for the 3-4, and imo mathis and freeney in the 4-3 > Green and seymour and warren
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    dont try n compare the colts defense to ours cause there is no comparison colts d sucks, go ask any football expert or any knowledgeable football fan whod they take between patrtions startin 3 or all colts starters and backups then try n compare your line with ours cause ours is on a diff level compared to yours end of story.
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    There's no such thing as a good 3-4 lineman who "can't" play the 4-3. Anyways, if Gilbert Brown can star in a 4-3, Wilfork can. He also played 4-3 in college.

    A line of Green / Warren / Wilfork / Seymour is better than Mathis / Pittwho? / Reagor / Freeney.
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    if Warren and Seymour wouldn't fit your system then there is something wrong with your system.

    eh, big deal on Simon. they won a championship without him last year.
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    i agree overall the patriots depth is better on the defensive line than the colts, i really like our edge rushers in Freeney and Mathis more than your combo of Seymore and green, id give the inside to you though easily.
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    The colts may have the OL, but we got the defensive line. But you really cannot compare, because as said earlier, it can't really be compared. They have two very different systems. But I think looking at individual talent, the Patriots have the advantage.
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    seymour moves to the inside when we go with four down linemen, try colvin and thomas as our edge rushers on passing downs with seymour and green or warren on the inside
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    Man, I was going to agree with you that Quinn Pit**** is a great fit for the Colts system and could be an anchor on that line for years to come, but then you go and make this dumb a$$ed comment.

    You your information, Wilfork, coming out of Miami, who plays a 4-3, was given the nickname "Baby Sapp" for his ability to disrupt the quarterback. Warren Sapp got his ugly face in Canton playing in the Cover-2 defense led by your most overrated coach, Tony Dungy. Before the 2004 draft, he was projected to go to a number of teams who run the 4-3. He is a top 5 defensive tackle and would start on any team in the NFL.
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    He is in a legal dispute with the Colts. The Colts didn't pay him last year because they claim his injuries were non-football related and Simon claims that they were due to wear and tear of years of football. It was basically the Colts being cold hearted.
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    They must have felt burned about getting the guy and having to pay his contract and then finding out he's probably not going to play football again. If I recall didn't they say he withheld information about his condition? I'm not sure but I bet there were cap implications and if they really did get fleeced it's tough to blame them for not being nice to the guy.
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    Sure you would because you are a colts fan. Wilfork can work in a 4-3 a lot better than you think. He is a lot quicker than you think he is.

    Take your colts homer glasses off, Seymour, Warren, Wilfork, and Green are > Freeny, Mathis, McFarland, and Brock or Pit****. This is fact. All of our guys can warrant a double team while only Freeny demands a double.
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    And well you should, for your team's system.

    The Pats top four DL (Sey, TY, Vince, and Jarvis Green) would compare more to the Jags who use their front four (the same way the Pats use their front three), to stop the run. Indy uses their front four to disrupt the backfield. The Indy scheme calls for lighter, quicker players who get off the snap fast and penetrate into the backfield, The Jags and Pats use their heavyweights (in comparison) to control the line of scrimmage and collapse the pocket around the QB on pass plays. Both have advantages and disadvantages, based on Super Bowl victories in this decade, neither is better than the other - as long as both play their assignments and execute properly.

    In the Indy scheme you could use a Vince Wilfork the same way Dungy used Simon in 2005 and McFarland in 2006, as nose tackles. They anchor the line in a 4-3 and help the linebackers corral the run while the other three pin their ears back and fire-out for the QB. If you ponder this point some more you may decide to change your thinking on Vince's applicability to Dungy's scheme.
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    LOL, you wouldn't want Seymour, Warren and Wilfork because they wouldn't fit your system?

    LOL!!!
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    There were red flags all over Corey Simon well before they signed him. The Eagles pulled the franchise tag and let him walk in July 2005, and the Colts made it out to be quite the coup that their genius GM had the cap space and the forsight to sign him long term. I believe he played in 13 games and pocketed $14M or so...

    He got hurt in camp in 2006 and had to have surgery. Reportedly he developed polyartheritis thereafter, which the Colts felt was non football related (though it can develop following injury and surgery). They withheld $1.9M of his salary last season by placing him on the NFI list. The grievance that remains to be heard is over that. They were told they can't recoup any of his signing or option bonus money already paid because of a previous ruling that set the precedent and wording in the new CBA. So he has gone from superstar FA savior to money grabbing POS (or Polian's folly if Bill were ever seen to be at fault for anything).

    They will actually get some cap relief this season - his salary of around $3.9M will come off their present cap if they agree to just part company. But they will take a $5M+ hit I believe in dead cap next season for a non existent DT. Ouch. And if the arbitrator rules his condition is in fact not non-football related, they may be on the hook for a little more than that if he's entitled to an injury settlement on top of what he's already received on his contract which was to run through 2009.


    One of the problems the Colts have had to deal with all along (which the new stadium is supposed to help mitigate) is they are cash strapped as well as periodically cap strapped. That is likely the reason they also placed Monte Reagor on NFI when he was injured driving to practice. Not something the Kraft's would likely do to a veteran who had been a good soldier. Of course it's also why their rings came in just at or under budget, while our first one alone tripled it. ;)
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    The Colts will gain $3.955 million in cap space this year minus the salary of the player who replaces Simon on the Top 51 list. In 2008 they will gain $1.9 milion in cap space while having a $6.2 million dead money cap hit. In 2009 they will gain $8.1 million in cap space. In other words, a player due to count $23.255 million against the cap in 2007/2008/2009 will now count $9.3 million. IMO, the Colts are now in position to move some of the freed-up space in 2008.

    I think that injury settlements do not count against the cap.
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    Can you imagine the howl aross New England if Kraft put Tedy Bruschi on NFI after his stroke? Yet the Colts fans are fine with screwing Monty Reagor like that. POS Colts fans deserve POS Colts management.

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