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  1. E Belichick Unum

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    Is anybody else concerned about the defensive coordinator? I suppose the offensive coordinator can be excused but Dean Peese hasn't impressed me. His defense is too passive and it seems to come up small in important situations.

    Yesterday we should have applied much more pressure than we did, there were times when the score was 10-9 that Sanchez had no pressure appled at all. Also, yesterday our 2008 third down problems showed up again.

    Am I over reacting to two games?
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    Yes.

    The defense is a work in progress, but fans keep falling in love with these blitzing/high pressure D's. What have they won lately, really? They look great to the average fan but they are high risk/reward. This game is clearly on the offense.

    If anything I'm encouraged somewhat by the defense. They are young and learning and I can see they will improve. The offense failed to get touchdowns and committed a ridiculous amount of penalties. The Patriots easily left 14-21 points on the field yesterday.
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    You're pointing your finger at the wrong person. Belichick determines

    the overall strategy and can overule any play.
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    I agree, we used to blitz off the edge with corners, up the middle with safeties and ILBs and we haven't done it since he took over. It's time to learn from what the Jets were able to do with pressure and learn that we can do the same damn thing and implement more blitz packages into this passive, sit back defense. We have the same type of quick, physical athletes as the Jets do in the back 7. Things have to change defensively, we have made Sanchez and Edwards look better because of our damn scheme.
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    OK, then Belichick's schemes have me concerned. I don't want to turn into blitzburg, but some pressure at important times in the game wouldn't be a bad thing. This points to one of two things:
    1) The secondary stinks
    2) The front 7 stinks.

    Either way the time that the D gave to Sanchez yesterday determined the game's outcome.
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    The defense has played far better than anyone expected given it lost Bruschi, Harrison, Seymour, Vrabel & Hobbs in the same year - and then Mayo in the first game. What this defense can do is limited without Mayo. I like what we've seen of the defense - minus the soft zone coverage getting shredded in the 2nd half, but even that was tightened up.
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    You can't lose most of your defensive stalwarts, replace them with

    inferior players, and put the same product on the field.
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    << You can't lose most of your defensive stalwarts, replace them with
    inferior players, and put the same product on the field. >>

    Our product was pretty poor last year.

    We don't WANT last year's product. We need a creative defense that is crafted around the realities of the current NFL: a pass-happy and pass-rule-friendly environment. The Jets yesterday were fantastic defensively, I thought. They show precisely what we need more of.
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    Defense was not the problem

    The Patriots defense gave up one touchdown and 16 points.

    The Patriots offense scored zero touchdown and 9 points.

    You can't be serious about blaming this loss on the defense.

    Giving up 16 points would be good enough to defeat 20 of the 28 other teams that played yesterday. Scoring nine points would have been enough to beat just two teams, the Rams and the Browns.

    Yeah, I did have a flashback to last year when Washington got just enough for a first down on third and long. But if you have to point your finger at something in order to vent today, how about twice settling for field goals in the red zone in the first half? Score a touchdown on one of those drives and it's a whole different ballgame; score a TD on both and the Pats probably win the game.

    Jets played a good game, the did enough to win; hats off to them and congratulations on their victory. You're not going to win every single game, especially on the road against a highly motivated team with a good defense.
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    Re: Defense was not the problem

    You are missing the point. When our defense needed to bring the heat in the second half of a tight defensive minded game, we didn't do it. We allowed the classic 3rd and longs and allowed a complete momentum swing into the favor of Sanchez because we didn't pressure him. We should have brought the house against this kid in his second game, we didn't, and he burned us. That was bad scheming and strategy, especially against a young QB, who you want to force into making quick decisions on the fly. That's piss poor scheming........

    The Jets defense was the polar opposite, they brought the house and it won them the game. We were flat out, out coached and out-schemed.
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    Re: Defense was not the problem

    Pats allowed a third and long to be converted when Leon Washington converted a 3rd-and-12 with a 13 yard play. I'll agree that was avery deflating play. However, the Pats stopped the Jets eight out of the other ten times on 3rd down yesterday.

    I'll agree the Jets out played the Pats and had better execution. Probably outcoached and outschemed as well, though again that may have been as much or more of a case of poor execution by the players.

    Yeah, a turnover or at least an earlier stop would have been nice on those two drives by the Jets, but they got only six points out of them. Doesn't matter what the defense does if your offense in the second half goes punt, punt, punt, punt, turnover on downs.
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    Re: Defense was not the problem

    Sometimes the D has to step up and win the 9-6 games. When the score was 10-9 and the jets were driving there was no pressure on Sanchez, even the talking heads mentioned it. Later in the game, when the score was 16-9 we applied pressure on Sanchez on an important third down and he threw an incompletion. Sometimes you have to take chances, Belichick my be able to override Peese, but it is the D coordinator's scheme that is being called during the game.

    Last year we had a really bad secondary and we got burnt a lot. This year we may have improved the secondary, but if we don't put pressure on the QB it won't matter, we'll beat the bums and lose to the good teams.
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