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  1. SCPatBoy

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    It seems pretty obvious that it is the combination of Moss and Welker that makes our passing game so effective. Stallworth is good, but I think that it Starts with Moss, welker is a perfect underneath compliment and that we can still be highly effective with someone like Gaffney in the other WR slot. I know I will draw criticism for this, but Gaffney will be alot cheaper then Stallworth, we can still bring Jackson along, and take that money and re sign key players and do what we can to get younger on Defense. I know I will draw criticism for this, but our Defense, primarily our LB's are getting old. I can see us getting some more productive years from AD and Vrabel, but Bruschi and Seau, you can't count on them after this year. We need to use the first day of the draft to get younger and better on defense and also try to address it in FA!
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    agree 100%
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    I agree. Given Stallworth's histoyr of injuries and his salary, I doubt he'll be back with Pats next year. I get that Stallworth is Pats' YAC guy but as a second receiver, he gets way too few looks from Brady. I'm not sure if there is any good reason for this but with majority of passes going towards Moss and Welker, Pats don't need high priced second receiver. Cheap up and coming player would be more suited for Pats second receiver spot.
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    The only thing that worries me about losing Stallworth is how much it will effect Welker.

    Welker as the slot man is just unbelievable.

    Welker as an outside man not so much.

    Can Jabar Gaffney really make teams stay honest and allow Welker to do his thing?

    I'm not quite convinced yet but I'd like to find out.
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    dudes, I like Gaffney, he played great last year and is making some great catches for us. I also think Brady has some confidence in him too....
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    I agree with what you are saying, but what I like about Stallworth is his ability to run after catching the ball. If somehow we can afford him, it would be great to keep him. But a person must be a realist, I don't think there will be enough cap room. The question we really don't know the answer to -- is Jackson a bust long term??? If we knew more about his true abilities this question of Stallworth would be easier to answer.

    But bottom line, Moss is the man and we must keep him. He has been the best addition to our team since Tom Brady. If the price is Stallworth, so be it.

    After that we need a good young LB. No question. Maybe FA will provide us one. Who knows.
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    Has people forgotten that if not for Stallworth the others would not be succesful??? Im in the camp with that Stallworth will be back at a reduced salary...
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    Chad Jackson's skill set is similar to Stallworth's, exept he is bigger and has better hands. IMO, he's the perfect no. 2. He'll be healthy next year and should be ready to fill that role. Gaffney remains as the dependable possession-type guy.
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    Any chance Stall renegotiates his deal to stay with the best QB in the NFL? I agree he is not worth what his contract will pay him next year - but he is still a good complimentary receiver who would be #1 on a lot of teams. I guess it comes down to what is more important to him.

    How much do you all think he is worth on the free agent market, if we release him? His 07 stats are not impressive.
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    If we win this year, I don't see why Stallworth wouldn't go take the money somewhere else. I'd love to see him return, but it's going to have to be one hell of a pay cut.
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    The only way Stallworth stays is by taking a massive paycut. I would love to keep him, but I don't see it happening.
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    I'd given up on Jackson but I'd like nothing better than to see that happen.
    It looks like Jackson impressed BB enuf during the week to be trusted to handle the ST return chores. Hope he didn't blow it. It's nice not risking a starter like Hobbs on KRs.
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    Agreed about Stallworth, but I don't think the pats are going to draft a linebacker to be a starter any time soon. Pioli and Belichick are going to go after another free agent ILB, while developing Alexander/Lua.
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    Please stop the Stasllworth bashing.The dude has skills.I remember a lot of so called fans bashing him on here early in this season.He then had some very good games and the bashing stopped.We're a team.There's no I in team.We'll know Brady is going to get the ball to the open reciever.I have a strong feeling that Stallworth is going to have some huge games when its needed most.
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    Don't forget that the guy was contributing last year before he was hurt. I think he had 3 TD's IIRC. Also, don't forget he was a 20 yr. old rookie. Assuming no injuries, there's no reason to think he won't be a huge part of the O next year.
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    I don't think anybody here is bashing Stallworth's skills. We all know guy got some good skills to be #1 receiver on most teams but he ain't no Moss. Moss will get resigned and with good chunk of money tied to Moss, I don't know if Pats can afford to have Stallworth's big salary next season.
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    I don't see any Stallworth bashing, just commentary that he likely won't be back at the current $6mm/year deal that he signed. I happen to agree.
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    You nailed it with the reduced salary bit. I think that's the underlying theme to this thread that people aren't mentioning enough. His productivity hasn't been dominant enough to suggest that the cap hit from his expanded contract will allow him to remain a player "with good value" as the Patriots are always looking for. Its no knock against him on the field, just the business aspect that he will be making too much money to keep as things stand right now.
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    I think Stallworth was signed with out the thought of Moss being available, so I could understand if they do cut him, but I think we should bring them back...
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    With regard to Stallworth, it needs to be said that there are some big money issues on the table for this offseason:

    1) Moss
    2) Samuel
    3) A top five pick
    4) Wilfork
    5) Stallworth.

    Moss seems like a sure thing, but it will cost money. Samuel is likely gone, but you never know. NE will probably trade back, but you never know. I view locking up Wilfork as nearly as important as re-signing Moss because I don't want Vince even *thinking* FA.

    NE likely on has the cap space for two of these. Is Donte more important that the others? The only one I would put him over is the top 5 pick.
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    They'll just slide Jackson into Stallworth's spot opposite Moss. They drafted him in the 2nd round, he's cheaper than Stallworth, and has the similar size and speed. I like Stallworth, but he's a luxury more than anything, and we can use his $$ for more pressing needs on defense, or to sign the SF pick should we actually use it inside the top 5.
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    Yeah, I'm certainly not knocking Stallworth *at all*, but the fact is his contract is too rich for us to keep on. If he wants to restructure to stay, fantastic for us. That's a big if though. It's hard to leave money on the table. That, and there are a lot of other teams he could go to where he would be a more high profile figure.

    Moss stays for short money, I think, because now he's playing for the HOF and he knows that this is where he has his best shot. I would be very surprised if he went for the big contract here or elsewhere.
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    I think Stallworth has been great given what has been asked of him. That being said, CJ is a tremendous talent and he will need a role next year to reach his potential. That role is in the top 4 receivers, assuming he is healthy and doesn't regress. His skill set is best suited for the #2 outside receiver opposite Moss, leaving Moss (going nowhere), Welker (signed) and Gaffney (hopefully back) in the roles where they have excelled.

    That leaves a #5 receiver spot open that is heavy on ST. Washington could be back at a reduced price, but I'm thinking that is a perfect role for a mid-round draft pick.

    I know it is tempting to want everyone back on a record-setting offense, but it is healthy to have reasonable turnover (10-20%) on a roster. People either step up or step off. Nothing personal, just a way to prevent stagnation which is the true challenge in maintaining the dynasty.
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    I think we can afford to keep this unit in tact for the forseeable future. CJ didn't exactly impress on ST yesterday. Gaffney is a great 4th WR on a team with this kind of weaponry. I wouldn't want to think about what could happen if Moss blew a hammy and Stallworth wasn't available to be the #2 who is a legit #1 under those circumstances. Nobody else on the roster fits that bill... It's like having Jarvis Green behind Seymour, only on offense.

    The only question is about money for Asante, and they aren't going to give him that highest paid CB in the league deal even if they have tons of cap space because he isn't that player and they don't need that player to win. The good news this week is Asante is coming off a couple of pedestrian weeks and we remain undefeated.

    Maybe he will come to his senses and agree to a Stallworth type deal (which is in reality a 5 year $30M with an $11M signing bonus - not a mega deal by 2007-2008 standards). Stallworth's deal can be simply restructured, without giving up any actual money, so that his cap hits for the next couple of seasons are $3.5-4.5M and the increase to $7.5M in 2009 - when Randy could be thinking about retiring while he's still on top and a first ballot HOF'er.

    If they can retain ST'er Washington without massive restructure, I don't think they will have a problem with retaining Stallworth as an elite #2 who can be a legit #1 if and when they need one. Brady has proven that given elite weapons he can carry this team even in the face of defenses laspes or shortcomings. I think he's earned the right to have his weapons maintained unless doing so causes real financial hardship elsewhere, which I don't see happening quite frankly. If Randy demands a $20M signing bonus to remain, Stallworth will be insurance - and that decisions happens before tag time or FA. I don't think Randy will squeeze them, but I don't think Stallworth did either. It's all about cap hit value, he provided that this year at $2.8M, can't see why he wouldn't at $3.5M next season and $4.5M in 2009. And he may well provide tremendous value at $7.5M from 2010 forward, and if not they can cross that bridge when they come to it.
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    I'm a huge Stallworth fan, but there are more pressing needs. With Moss a must sign, a huge push for Samuel (hopefully), and possibly a top 5 pick, we will be cap-challenged to keep Stallworth at his projected salary.
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    I love Stallworth but in the scheme of our team he is(or will be) over priced for production asked of him.

    I definately think he is a guy who if he gets his ring will try to seek employments as a #1 somewhere else for the big $. And why not he has skills.
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    I think you are vastly optimistic on the amound of money Samuel will be willing to accept. Didn't he just reject a 6M per year offer from the Pats? Why would he work his butt off during his franchise tag year, then come back and accept that same offer? Asante has a tattoo that says "Get Paid." That should tell you all you need to know...

    As for Stallworth, I agree that he won't be back unless he renogotiates for less. 5-6M is a bit too much of a luxury for a #2 receiver.

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    Your priority list looks pretty good to me. I may prefer to see #3 slide down as low as we can and still draft LONG.....

    I really want to keep Stallworth, but he slides into the luxury column and not the must have column.

    Must keep Moss, must respect Wilfork and do with him as we have with RS & Tiny.

    Break the bank for Samuel.
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    I think we all have to thank Donte this year, he's served his purpose in stretching the field and most of all, he's stayed healthy all year, which I think is number one with him as far as an attractive free agent in the market next year. The Patriots decision to resign him for next year will be nothing other than financial - cost vs need, which is the formula that this franchise depends on. I don't see him coming back either for no other reason than I think his price tag will far outweigh his need on this team, cap space that can be redirected to other much more important needs on this squad.
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    Bethal...err Chad Jackson has to step up.
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