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  1. mgteich

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    I expect several minor extensions. The money is there and the money can be put to good use. Of course, there is no time pressure. I expect that team has someone assigned to this important year-long project.

    I suspect that GUYTON is next. He still could be upgraded for next year; but, as is the case with Ninkovich, he has worked hard and served us well. He is the only player of the defenive players not signed through 2012, other than new players.

    On offense, we need to extend CONNOLLY. We might also extend KOPPEN and WENDELL. Even if we are expecting to sign a center, keeping a veteran is a good idea. Besides, the pats like Koppen a lot.

    The big extension possibility is of course WELKER.
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    We could go into the offseason with no free agents other than newcomers.
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    Please God let Welkah get the fat paycheck he so richly deserves.
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    I can easily see Guyton being replaced by some combination of Tarpinian, Edds, and Fletcher next season. Him hitting free agency wouldn't hurt my feelings.

    Welker does need to get paid, after showing (unlike last season) that he can function in a two TE offense.

    Connolly too. He's earned his weight in gold (around $9M, I believe), at least on a 3-year contract or something.

    Forget Koppen. Brewster 2012! :D
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    Giving up on a player because we might be able to draft a top center is not Belichick's style. OT's are a lot easier to find in the draft than centers, yet Belichick still re-signed Light for big money.

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    I would like to pile on and say that I have no excitement for Guyton. He looks the part, but I cant for the life of me remember him making any noteworhty plays. (Unlike Ninko who seems to just get better and better)

    BB will probably extend him, but my hope is that he disappears to be replaced by someone else with potential upside. We have already found Guytons top level in my opinion and it average.

    thoughts?
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    Extensions by Priority:

    1: Mayo
    2: Welker
    3: Woodhead
    4: Chung

    Guyton the cover LB can't cover a TE to save his life.
    He's heading for special Teams and won't be around next year.
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    Koppen is now 32 years old. If you want to keep him around as a back-up, fine, but center is a position the Patriots should be looking to upgrade next year. Next offseason the three positions the Pats should focus on are WR, C, and S.
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    I dont think the OP is saying that Guyton is irreplaceable and/or I dont think he is saying we have to do anything contractually for him.

    But I do think he is saying that he has played a couple years on low salary and it would be a good locker room move to bump him up a bit and maybe add a year on to it as well that way even if we do replace him he would be ours for camp adding to insurance and competition or maybe just a STs role.
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    The only one of these likely to be extended this year is Welker, as Mayo, Woodhead, and Chung are all signed through next year.
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    What is the CAP hit for Mayo for next year? (Rookie Contract)

    BB may want to extend to reduce the CAP hit and retain Mayo for the long haul.
    I think it gets done sooner rather then later, since they have the cap space.

    I think business will be done differently with the new CBA.

    With the new rookie wage scale there will be more $$$ for veteran extensions.
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    There is, and always was, plently of money for contract extensions. The rookie salary cap is only a menaingful difference for the top drafted. The patriots don't worry about those draft spots.
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    When looking at extensions, the question is not "What's the cap hit?" so much as "How much can be saved?"—in other words, how much is the player actually getting paid in the remaining years?

    In the case of Mayo, nearly all of his money has been turned into paid bonuses already. His new money for 2012 is only about $1 million.
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    Koppen is 32. Light is 33. What is your point again?

    Yes, I agree that we should look to draft a center.

    Yes, as of now, it also looks as if we will need to focus on S and WR.

    We will also need to focus on DE/OLB since Ellis, Carter and Anderson all were signed only for 2011.

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    Yeah...

    Last year we picked 2 TE. This year we picked 2 RB.

    Next year we need to pick 2 DE.


    Only problem is that DE have a way higher BUST rate than TE and RB.
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    My point is they're aging and declining and we should be looking to replace them, not extend them.
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    Light's eventual replacement is already on the roster. I don't see your point here.
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    I know Light's replacement is here. We're talking about extending Koppen. Koppen's isn't here, unless BB thinks Wendell may be the guy.

    Anyways, we didn't extend Light, we signed him as a free agent. The lock-out and rookie Solder not being with the team all summer gave the team a good reason to bring Light back.
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    It seemed to me that you spoke on both, with "them" in response to the quote, which is why I brought up Light. However, Light coming back was a good idea regardless of the lockout, because it's avoided the need for a rookie to step in on day one. The same will be true of Koppen, if he can return to form post-injury and is willing to sign a short enough deal.
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    Agree with the Welker and Connolly extensions. In fact if Connolly looks ok it could be bad news for Koppen. We could draft a C and bring him along slowly if Connolly is holding his own. No love for Deion Branch? He's a ufa after this year. Would like to bring him back. I expect A. Carter to have a good year and would like to bring him back too. Probably wise to wait and see if he can stay healthy.

    As for guys up next year. Vollmer is still on his rookie contract. Very underpaid for what we're getting out of him. 835k. Pro-bowl caliber play. If he ever hit the open market, would probably snag 8-10m per. Let's reward the big fella now. The team knows whether his back injury is minor or not. If not a big deal. Get him signed. Patrick Chung was in that draft class.
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    We're not going to fail to re-sign Koppen because the center we might be able to draft will get a few extra practices.

    So, we have the choice of extending Koppen, or waiting until free agency and draft one of the free agent centers (which could be Koppen. In anyc ase, we would still look for a center,

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    Hope one of next year's 1st is a center. Bring Koppen back for one more year at least unless his injury effects him which I don't think it will.
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    To be fair Ninko doesn't have too many highlights either aside from those two sweet picks vs miami. Solid player though. Having said that Guyton's got to improve or I think he'll probably be gone next year unless someone else like edds doesn't play well.
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    I agree with you that Welker should be the priority as his contract is up this year. We could always franchise Welker, but at his age I'd assume he wouldn't be happy with it as this is his last big contract. I've heard that unused cap money can be moved forward to the next year. Does anyone know if this is correct? Thanks.
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    1) Any money not used is moved forward, so there is no rush to use money now.

    2) Welker likely would like one last big payday. A franchise tag would guarantee Welker a big payday for one year. I'm not sure that this would be a bad deal for him.

    3) Sure, I would like to extend Welker now. But then, I always want to extend our vets if we can, one year before their contract is up.

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    As far as the 2012 center goes, besides being an 'either re-sign Koppen or draft Brewster' debate, another option could be to have Connolly replace Koppen as the starting center, and Wendell replace Connolly as the backup interior lineman.

    That wouldn't be my first choice, but the point is that the Pats are not in a position where they absolutely have to re-sign Koppen, nor are they in a position where they absolutely have to use a first round draft pick on a center.
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    So, in one week (half a game) Connolly has gone from a great backup guard to being a better starting center than Koppen? I'm going to ahve to watch the game again. I must have missed something important.

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    I'd like to see Vollmer get extended, but I don't think it is pivotal that we give out extension. I rather see us save some money and maybe able to grab a top player at a position of need (DE, OLB) next year in free agency.
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    It also means that you trade up, not down in the draft because teams can better afford and risk less with elite players. Watch for Trader Bill to go get a top 5 pick for another top flight offensive lineman.
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    Yes, higher picks will be more valuable, likely mor valuable than the old trade charts. Under the old charts, the cost of a #5 picks would be about our 2 firsts plus a second. Belichick could do that, but it is unlikely.

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