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Contempt Vote on Holder for Fast and Furious,Obama invokes Executive Privilege

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  1. KDPPatsfan85

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    Issa pushes ahead with Holder contempt vote despite Obama intervention | Fox News

    I hope they vote this chooch out today!

    Obama invokes executive privilege as Holder faces contempt vote - ABC News

    Obviously, Obama is trying to hide that he was involved in this fast and furious scandal. This is not to cover Holder's butt, but to cover his own.

    FLASHBACK 2007: Obama Attacked Trying "To Hide Behind Executive Privilege" - YouTube

    Hypocrisy of Obama when Bush did this, it was a problem(Bush should of never used it).

    This will not end well with Obama and an election year. No transparency like he promised when he was running. Holder saying this is moving forward because its all politics from the right. A Border Patrol agent was killed by America's own weapons. Time to take out the trash (Holder and Obama Administration).
     
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    We have a "Chicago Regime" running our country, God Willing it will end in November, I wish it were somebody other than Romney but anything is better than Obama.
     
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    Good. Glad to see them putting that 'tard Issa in his place.
     
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    President George W. Bush first asserted executive privilege to deny disclosure of sought details regarding former Attorney General Janet Reno,[2] the scandal involving Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) misuse of organized-crime informants James J. Bulger and Stephen Flemmi in Boston,

    On July 9, 2007, Bush again invoked executive privilege to block a congressional subpoena requiring the testimonies of Taylor and Miers. Furthermore, White House Counsel Fred F. Fielding refused to comply with a deadline set by the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee to explain its privilege claim, prove that the president personally invoked it, and provide logs of which documents were being withheld.

    On July 9, 2007, Bush again invoked executive privilege to block a congressional subpoena requiring the testimonies of Taylor and Miers. Furthermore, White House Counsel Fred F. Fielding

    On August 1, 2007, Bush invoked the privilege in rejecting a subpoena for Karl Rove.
     
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    To be held in contempt does not mean a whole lot, except it is a slap on the wrist and makes great fodder for right wing blogs..

    What happened to Harriet Myers and Karl Rove????
     
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    I never voted for Bush and I was against him using the executive privilege as I do now with Obama using it to cover his own ass! Its time to clean out the trash!
     
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    Well Executive privilege involves conversations held by the President with members of the administration. The cases cited above where Bush invoked executive privilege are examples of this.

    Also Executive privilege is usually invoked when the documents are requested, not after a year of delay where the documents subpoenaed by congress weren't turned over.

    Also Holder and Obama have both said publicly that Holder didn't discuss Fast and Furious with Obama during the time frame the requested documents covered. So if the President wasn't involved there is no executive privilege involved.

    This smells of a Nixon type cover up. If Executive privilege is applicable here Obama and Holder have both been lying about Fast and Furious, in Holders case it was perjury in testimony to congress. Which is another can of worms for the administration.


    So perjury by Holder and cover up? Certainly Holder has made

    Obama lying about his involvement in Fast and Furious.

    The USSC may have to decide.
     
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    Ignoring the executive privilege claim that ALL Presidents invoke, this President claims to have not been told about the operation until afterward but the invoking of the privilege gives the appearance that perhaps he was briefed before and is trying to keep it under wraps. Some might even claim that it smells of a coverup. The irony is that it comes just a day or two after the 40th anniversary of another coverup, Watergate......
    Dems will claim witchhunt and Reps will claim that it is a coverup.. such is life in DC....
     
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    Were you old enough???
     
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    Yes I was for Bush's second term. I voted for Kerry than Bush. I do have the tendency to vote over party lines because I educate myself on the candidates than voting D or R. I properly vet candidates!
     
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    I am sure you do... have you vetted Romney and wondered why no one in his family has ever served in the Military??? Or did you miss that???
     
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    What has Romney or his family have to do with serving in the military? Obama never served in the military, why havent you questioned that?

    For Romney, I dont see him as a true conservative. The guy is a moderate not conservative. There are some policies I dont agree with, but he will be better than Obama.
     
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    What did Obama know and when did he know it?

    If Obama wasn't involved there is NO Executive privilege.
     
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    The Constitutional Lawyer Doth Spaketh!!!!

    Bush invoked Executive Privilege 6 times
    Clinton invoked Executive Privilege 14 times
    Bush I invoked it 1 time
    Ronnie Raygun invoked it 3 times...

    It is not something that never happens, remember Harriet Myers.. who would have thunk that this works both ways...

     
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    There is executive privilege if it involves the executive branch of the government. I do not blame Obama for not trusting Issa. That guy is not interested in the truth; he only wants evidence to frame his preconceptions.

    ThinkProgress

    But there are two types of executive privilege: the robust “presidential communications privilege” and the more limited “deliberative process privilege.” The White House may invoke the latter to apply to executive branch officials outside of the president’s inner circle, as long as they were involved with the government’s decision-making process. Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush all asserted executive privilege in matters not involving presidential communications. And Bush Administration Attorney General Michael Mukasey invoked the same “deliberative process privilege” as recently as 2008, rejecting congressional subpoenas for reports of Department of Justice interviews with the White House staff regarding the Valerie Plame Wilson identify leak investigation.

    Furthermore, the very man behind the witch-hunt against Holder, Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA), has in the past recognized that same privilege for Bush administration deliberations.
     
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    Of course Senator Obama railed against executive privilege in 2007:

    Obama In 2007: Executive Privilege Is "Subject To Abuse" | RealClearPolitics


    So Obama was against executive peivilege before he was for it, very Kerry of him.


    Meanwhile Holder had to retract another statement made under oath to congress.

    Holder retracts claim Bush team knew about Fast and Furious | WashingtonExaminer.com


    They are hiding the document because Obama was involved and Holder lied to congress about it. Obama lied to the American people about it, they have the Blood of Brian Terry on thier hands along with a DEA agent and hundred of innocent MExicans.

    The Terry family continued to be punished by the Administration by not telling the truth about B Terry's murder:

    Brian Terry family



    Terrible of Obama and Holder to put the Terry family through this.
     
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    Romney was a draft dodger while his classmates went to Vietnam.
    Obama was 13 years old in 1974.

    Mitt Romney - Vietnam War Draft Dodger - YouTube
     
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    No offense, but the fact that you apparently believe everything you read on the Internet, no matter how self-evidently dubious (yay, Ulsterman Report!), kind of belies what you just wrote.

    Oh, and the fact that you're a birther. That, too.
     

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