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  1. NEPatriot

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    If you don't believe that Obama's PRESIDENCY is a constitution crisis, Hillary Clinton for Secretary of State is a REAL one.

    Clinton's Confirmation May Spark Constitutional Battle - FOXNews.com Transition Tracker

    $191,300 from $186,600?
    It's nice to know that our Senators are WELL-TAKEN CARE OFF while our country is going down the hill.
     
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    The daily obligatory OBAMACONSTITUTIONALCRISIS thread from Nepatriot..

    "they will get around it" Eagleburger said.... I suspect they will..

    Funny how all the righties panties get in a bunch about alleged constitutional inproprieties of the Pres elect, all the while we have just finished more violations of the constitution than in our history during the last 8 years...

    I suspect that for this Adm. the constitution will be more than just a "damned piece of paper".
     
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    Weird how they aren't concerned -- and haven't been lo these many decades -- that only Congress can CONSTITUTIONALLY declare war. Hence the long line of undeclared wars. We didn't even bother to call Iraq a police action. It's just a war Congress didn't declare. Again.

    But that's not important. What's important is that H. Clinton was in the senate when an executive order gave a $5000 raise to cabinet positions.

    HOLLLLLD ON HERE. The Senate's in the Legislative branch.

    An executive order is issued by the President.

    How the hell is that something the Senate did?

    PFnV
     
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    #75 Jersey


    I guess you missed that little vote when Hillary and all but a few Democratws authorized the war in Iraq.

    U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote

    Akaka (D-HI), Nay
    Allard (R-CO), Yea
    Allen (R-VA), Yea
    Baucus (D-MT), Yea
    Bayh (D-IN), Yea
    Bennett (R-UT), Yea
    Biden (D-DE), Yea
    Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
    Bond (R-MO), Yea
    Boxer (D-CA), Nay
    Breaux (D-LA), Yea
    Brownback (R-KS), Yea
    Bunning (R-KY), Yea
    Burns (R-MT), Yea
    Byrd (D-WV), Nay
    Campbell (R-CO), Yea
    Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
    Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
    Carper (D-DE), Yea
    Chafee (R-RI), Nay
    Cleland (D-GA), Yea
    Clinton (D-NY), Yea
    Cochran (R-MS), Yea
    Collins (R-ME), Yea
    Conrad (D-ND), Nay
    Corzine (D-NJ), Nay
    Craig (R-ID), Yea
    Crapo (R-ID), Yea
    Daschle (D-SD), Yea
    Dayton (D-MN), Nay
    DeWine (R-OH), Yea
    Dodd (D-CT), Yea
    Domenici (R-NM), Yea
    Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
    Durbin (D-IL), Nay
    Edwards (D-NC), Yea
    Ensign (R-NV), Yea
    Enzi (R-WY), Yea
    Feingold (D-WI), Nay
    Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
    Fitzgerald (R-IL), Yea
    Frist (R-TN), Yea
    Graham (D-FL), Nay
    Gramm (R-TX), Yea
    Grassley (R-IA), Yea
    Gregg (R-NH), Yea
    Hagel (R-NE), Yea
    Harkin (D-IA), Yea
    Hatch (R-UT), Yea
    Helms (R-NC), Yea
    Hollings (D-SC), Yea
    Hutchinson (R-AR), Yea
    Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
    Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
    Inouye (D-HI), Nay
    Jeffords (I-VT), Nay
    Johnson (D-SD), Yea
    Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
    Kerry (D-MA), Yea
    Kohl (D-WI), Yea
    Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
    Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
    Leahy (D-VT), Nay
    Levin (D-MI), Nay
    Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
    Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
    Lott (R-MS), Yea
    Lugar (R-IN), Yea
    McCain (R-AZ), Yea
    McConnell (R-KY), Yea
    Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
    Miller (D-GA), Yea
    Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
    Murray (D-WA), Nay
    Nelson (D-FL), Yea
    Nelson (D-NE), Yea
    Nickles (R-OK), Yea
    Reed (D-RI), Nay
    Reid (D-NV), Yea
    Roberts (R-KS), Yea
    Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
    Santorum (R-PA), Yea
    Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
    Schumer (D-NY), Yea
    Sessions (R-AL), Yea
    Shelby (R-AL), Yea
    Smith (R-NH), Yea
    Smith (R-OR), Yea
    Snowe (R-ME), Yea
    Specter (R-PA), Yea
    Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
    Stevens (R-AK), Yea
    Thomas (R-WY), Yea
    Thompson (R-TN), Yea
    Thurmond (R-SC), Yea
    Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea
    Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
    Warner (R-VA), Yea
    Wellstone (D-MN), Nay
    Wyden (D-OR), Nay


    You guys just keep repeating these lies to yoursleves so much, that you actually begin to believe them!

    The Clinton constituion thing has come up before, and most likley it will be resolved by her settling for the lower salary (although still in violation of the constitution, it will satisfy the "spirit" of the law).
     
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    Our resident Constitutional scholar doth speaketh.. or is it doth spaketh..
     
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    #18 Jersey

    Law or no law, it's simply stupid. Why should getting a raise prevent her from serving as SOS? What idiot proposed that law and more perplexing...what idiots voted to pass it?
     
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    Messiah & Pant Suit, kick them both out.

    Messiah Prince Obama Over There--------------------------->:bricks:

    Pant Suit Hillary Over There--------------------------------->:bricks:
     
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    #75 Jersey

    The "idiot" who wrote it was James Madison, I think that his ideas of representative government and checks and balances has pretty much stood the test of time, so maybe you might want to give him he benefit of the doubt on this one.

    The "idiots" who voted on it included Ben Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, you know, the "good ole boys"
     
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    Here is the actual wording from the constitution.. most articles written do not think that this is a big issue and can be resolved.. interesting how all the righties get their depends in a bunch, when talking about how sacred the constitution.. all the while for the past 8 years they defended George and all his violations.. another sad case of situational ethics..

    United States Constitution, art. I 9, cl. 8.

     
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    :rofl:

    is this a joke???:rofl:
     
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    Not sure what you mean by vote here mr. constitutional scholar, but if you mean sign, Jefferson was not a signee.. he was minister to France during that time.. he did have an large impact on the Bill of Rights though. The constitution was really not voted on, but ratified at a series of conventions in each of the states..
     
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    The Supreme Court will interpret the Constitution in a way that respects the separation of powers unless it can be shown that this matter meets a fairly high threshold. There is no rational Constitutional reason why Hillary should not be SoS.
     
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    Ahhh the "interpret" word ... the ammunition of liberals around the country.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    And I'm sure both the law and the votes were very good ideas back then.

    Give me one good reason why getting 2 raises in one year should prevent Hillary from being appointed. And don't tell me "because it's the law". Tell me why that law is important today.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    If you know ANYTHING about our constitution and any law, they MUST be subject to interpretation. Otherwise we would be a static nation bound by outdated laws. But the framers knew to write all laws in a manner that would allow them to stand the test of time...and thus we have "interpretation".

    It is used by both democrats and republicans throughout our history. Unless you want to talk about the few FOOLISH groups who would prefer that nothing in this nation ever change....EVER.
     
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    Constitution is a capital "C" please ... it is not just a word PR. :rolleyes:
     
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    It is a document, not a holy book IcyPat. The way our gov't is behaving, we may as well call is the coinstitution.;)
     
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    Once again FTW demonstrates the depth and breadth of his ability to basically clutter boards and waste bandwidth.

    My points regarding the Constitution are that:

    We seem quite wrapped around the axle with arcana which have, according to the source itself, never been considered major before;

    The pay of the cabinet was raised by executive order, not by a bill in the Senate, and so it is a bit absurd to think her status as Senator influenced her pay as Secretary of State;

    and,

    We roundly ignore the fact that it is the Congress which, by the Constitution, declares war.

    Despite said waste of bandwidth, the Congress did not declare war on Iraq. They did, however, vote to authorize Bush to have the power to go into Iraq on his own. This is what Bush did.

    Now then: Is it or is it not the better part of valor to make the declaration of war something the president asks for and the Congress declares? That is how our founders saw it. That is NOT how our government handles it.

    I think that's because you can be a used car salesman one day (or more likely a lawyer,) and a Congressman the next, and you're already running for Congress again when you butt hits the chair in your first term.

    So yeah, I think this SHOULD be the job of the guy who has spent all these resources to get into power (that is, to actually attempt to use that power.) I don't think we should go into military adventures based on the whims and vendettas of individuals.

    More to the point, it's the way the Constitution splits up the powers.

    By the way, Icy - if you're under the impression that the Supreme Court does not interpret the laws, and that all legal (and legislative) writing is cut and dried and has no need for an interpretive body, you obviously have never read any product of capitol hill that we will generously refer to as "writing," or for that matter, been in a courtroom. Of course the courts interpret the law. It's what they're there for. That's why they're not the legislative or executive.

    PFnV
     
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    Ah, from the ARA...the American Redneck Association.

    It's been a marvelous experience watching Barack Obama transform FBN into IcyPat a former middle of the roader to a genuine redneck!;)
     

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