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Conservatives. The reports of their deaths have been premature?

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    #12 Jersey

    Hmmmm, a different point of view we haven't seen from the overly gitty ones reported daily here. Add the fact that bandwagon “what have you done for me lately” voters may jump ship if they don’t get their personal pot of gold they thought they were promised and we just may be suprised to find what 2010 brings.

    CPAC: Notes from a Young Conservative Conference | Newsweek Politics | Newsweek.com

    Fresh Start for Conservatives
    Youth turning out to cheer for their leaders to the delight of older generation


    It's 9:15 a.m. on Friday morning. Most college students across America are still hitting the snooze button. But here, in the ballroom of the Omni Shoreham Hotel in Washington, D.C., thousands of young people are standing and cheering for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. "Some people call this the conservative spring break," said the 67-year-old senator from Kentucky.

    I am at the second day of the 2009 Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC). The conference, which began in 1973, is hosted by the American Conservative Union. This year's events are anticipated to draw some 9,000 people, up from 7,000 last year, which would make this the largest CPAC in history. The series of lectures, panels, film screenings and receptions is ground zero for young conservatives. While Obama claims the majority of hearts and minds at many universities, here the fashion du jour includes PRESERVE TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE stickers and DON'T BLAME ME—I VOTED FOR SARAH! tote bags. They've come from all over America to listen to the likes of Ann Coulter, Mitt Romney and Rush Limbaugh sing the praises of conservatism and set the Republican Party's agenda for the coming years.

    At CPAC, 19-year-olds unironically wear bowties and snap photos with their cell phones of Rep. John Boehner and former governor Mike Huckabee, as if they were prepubescent girls at a Jonas Brothers concert. In droves, college students attend panels like "Al Franken and ACORN: How Liberals Are Destroying the American Election System," and, a rebuttal to a recent NEWSWEEK cover story, "Bailing Out Big Business: Are We All Socialists Now?"

    Over half of the conference's registrants are college students. Although many of the conference's speakers and attendees noted that this statistic was a happy surprise, the overwhelming presence of young people is no accident. The event's Facebook group boasts 2,886 members. Special students-only events, including a reception with Karl Rove, pepper the weekend's agenda. CPAC offered heavily discounted student rates and scholarships to attract young conservatives to the conference.

    "We're coming up," said CPAC attendee Olivia Offner, 21. "We're not the candidates, but we're the speechwriters, the campaign staffers, the journalists."
     
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    Conservativism isn't dead, but it's going to have to find a way to broaden its base, and getting a bunch of white kids together is hardly a significant step in that direction. But, if the conservatives couldn't pull together 4,500 young people at a major event that would amazing. Consider the numbers that Clinton, Obama, and Gore can easily draw.
     
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    Conservativism will never die. Ideologies supported by hundred of millions over many decades don't just fade away.

    Conservativism will survive and flourish in the future. It just might not be the Republican Party that will be its vessel. Even Limbaugh is being very adamant over the distinction these days.
     
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    The free soil party tried the exact same thing in 1853.
     
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    The "socialist marxist" lifestyle will never work with America's young "rings in the nose" free thinking democrats" they will turn on Comrade Barry and that turn will be to the right, young people today will never tolerate the Government telling them what kind of toilet paper to wipe their a$ses with or what kind of a car to drive.

    When the "Tea Party" really gets warmed up it will be the "young democrats" leading the pack.

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    "A bunch of white kids" Interesting. Don't you get tired of playing the race card all the time? All you ever freaking see is color. You missed the whole point. The major event you speak of usually only gets 7000 people. This year it was 9000 and over half were College students which was a big jump from previous years. Newsweek thought it was noteworthy.
     
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    I don't think it's noteworthy, but I don't expect conservativism to die--it's just as American as is liberalism. But, it will have to change because it's not attracting people of color and most other minority groups, and not doing well among young people. It needs to address that, but the conservative base is unwilling to compromise on immigration, social welfare programs, and anti-discrimination laws, for instance. What the conservatives need is a new formulation that appeals to both their base and minorities, but if they don't come up with one, they will have a lot of trouble winning elections. This problem in the conservative movement I think is one of the main reasons that conservatives are trying to unite by being against Obama, rather than for anything.
     
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    Oh Holy Prince Obama

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    WHERE ARE ALL THE ANTI IRAQI WAR DEMOCRATS WHY ARE THEY SO SILENT

    OBAMA IS THE FIRST BLACK AND WHITE PRESIDENT THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN.

    PRAISE JESUS
     
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    Conservatism has been dead since Nixon took office. There was a chance that it wouldn't die with Reagan, but Bush I and II took care of that. Those who call themselves "conservatives" today bear no resemblance to those who followed Barry Goldwater, who was the last real conservative. Today's conservatives are actually radical christian warhawks who see government spending as acceptable when it comes to advancing their agenda. Military spending, foreign aid, They are no different than modern liberals. They just have different agendas.

    Conservatives have no one today other than Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan. Like liberals who refuse to vote for Nader or Kucinich...true liberals...they will have to be content with taking turns voting for the red division of the Republicrat Party while so-called liberals will continue to vote for the blue division candidate. Centrism rules in today's politics.
     
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    Republicans were anything but conservative, and grew gubmit to levels unimaginable. Now Dems are in power, tossing freebies into the crowd to anyone who'll take them. As gubmit handouts grow, so will the democratic party. As the pool of the 3rd world invaders grow, and their roots expand, so will the handouts, and thus, the democratic party. This country is over people. 60 years of debt, 30 years without an energy policy, countless inept administrations where special interests were put ahead of reality. No longer is this the place our forefathers built. A place free from tyranny, that empowered individual freedoms & state's rights, through a small, civilian run government. This country is now a giant handout to special interests, and any lazy SOB who puts a hand out. Gone are the days of individual accountability. This is why you all a weapon sooner, rather than later. Eventually, at some point, the credit card is going to max out, and the music is going to stop. Maybe the

    Mayans were on to something, when they came up with their calendar.
     
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    Conservatism will get renewed attention ... when Americans realize that Bush was really a liberal imperialist puppet. Modern day conservatism will come back in some form ... my guess is think blue dog democrat and go from there. The seperation between republicans and democrats will be closer than ever come election time in 2011 ... it will be interesting and oh ... "there will be blood". ;)
     
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    Relatively speaking:

    Evidence supporting Global Climate Change=Vince Wilfork's average weight on January 2

    Evidence supporting RW's 'we're all soooo screwed' economic theory=Number of 4 syllable words that are in John Madden's vocabulary that aren't in Keith Olberman's vocabulary.

    Yet, the left is the side that resorts to emotional arguments:confused:

    What is it about this country's impending doom that isn't already 50,000 times worse (according to your view) in Sweden or France? and why should anyone pay any attention to you as long as those two countries continue to not resort to cannibalism to survive? If a slight shift towards Socialism is going to be the end of America, why are they not all dead in nations that are way more Socialist that we will ever become?
     
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    Why should anyone pay attention to you, when you can't write a coherent post. :confused2:
     
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    The conservatives gleefully predicted the collapse of Sweden in the early 1990s, but then Sweden introduced an economic model that even some conservatives now argue for. They temporarily nationalized banks, dealt with the bad debt, and eventually came out stronger. Yet, they still have national health care, guaranteed pensions, almost no homelessness, one of the cleanest environments, and safety. One has a feeling that RW has never traveled far from Chelsea or East Boston (wherever he is), so he assumes the rest of Massachusetts and world is just as bad as he says is area is. Perhaps it's bad because of values like his? At any rate, conservatives are often incurious. That's why so many scholars are liberal.
     
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    That's bullsh!t.
    You make conservatives sound cartoonish as if they weren't a real part of the American landscape or were evil people who didn't care about others. I'm a Conservative in large part because I don't agree with people like you who think the government should be involved in our lives as much as it is. We respect the intent of the Founders (except for the slavery thing) and vomit over how so many of our countrymen have been enslaved by generational welfare (POVERTY). I, for one, deeply resent how the Military Industrial Complex and police departments have used the mantle of "conservatives" to take control of the budget and American Psyche by sucking more and more tax dollars to do so.

    You routinely dump on the idea of Conservatism as if it were some kind of anomaly in American society without giving proper recognition to it's true role in government. Granted, most people who claim to be conservatives are nothing of the kind, just as many who claim to be "liberal" wouldn't be caught dead with a minority or poor person at their summer pool parties.
     
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    Here's the Cliff Notes version.

    Saying "Iraaaaaaaaqqqqq" or "Save the children!!!" all the time is as emotional an argument as saying "We're screwed, I'm buying a gun" Every other post.

    If the direction this country's heading in leads towards the end times how is it that countries much further along the way than we are haven't got there yet?
     
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    So, you're a conservative? God before country, tough on law and order, major emphasis on military matters, state's rights? And you think conservative means less government? It never has, unless you take the military out of the equation. Conservatives have always favored just as much government as liberals, but they prefer to spend on the military, police, and prisons than on social programs and the like. I do not think you're a Conservative, but I agree that conservativism is an American tradition, right up there with liberalism.
     
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    Gotta entirely agree with that.
     
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    True Conservative belief is that the role of the government is mostly the preserve the freedom of the people. True Conservatives favor a limited government. The individual will solve their own problems.

    Liberals believe that its the government who should solve people's problems. You are utterly delusional if you believe that Conservatives favor as much government as Liberals.
     
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