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    This Thanksgiving, Beware The Sharia Turkey | TPMMuckraker

    In a column on The American Thinker, anti-Islam blogger Pamela Geller explains that halal meats are already prevalent throughout most of the meat industry, but now they have even infiltrated the popular frozen turkey producer Butterball.

    "A citizen activist and reader of my website AtlasShrugs.com wrote to Butterball, one of the most popular producers of Thanksgiving turkeys in the United States, asking them if their turkeys were halal. Wendy Howze, a Butterball Consumer Response Representative, responded: 'Our whole turkeys are certified halal.'"

    “In a little-known strike against freedom, yet again, we are being forced into consuming meat slaughtered by means of a torturous method: Islamic slaughter,” Geller writes.

    She continues that if you like freedom and hate sharia, you should boycott Butterball and ask them to stop selling these nefarious birds.
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    "Conservative idiots" drive me nuts...."Liberal idiots" are even worse, wouldn't you agree?
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    Offer an example, and maybe I'll agree. What are you thinking of specifically?

    When I think of conservative idiots, I think of Republican leaders rallying around the freedom fries cause or prominent conservative Pamela Geller urging a boycott of Butterball turkeys.
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    Why would they be worse?

    I thought you were Mr. Fair-&-Balanced, I-don't-pick-sides, I'm-totally-objective, No One-Is-Worse-Than-Anyone-Else PatriotsReign.

    At least that's who and what you always claim to be.
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    Funny TPM left out the description and reason some would object to meats prepared this way.


    If people of some religions object to having a religious ritual performed on their food shouldn't they be informed of that?

    However if a company wants to perform a religious ritual that is their business.


    Why is informing the consumer wrong Patters?
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    I want to know who the hell is playing around with their silly religous bullsh!t with My Turkey before I eat it, I don't want any Religous Voo Doo performed on "my bird"

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    Nothing wrong with informing the consumer; what I'm objecting to is calling for a boycott and making this an issue in the first place.
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    They're Coming
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    The left boycotts all types of things for all sorts of reasons. The boycott concerns the practice of this company not identifying which Turkey's being blessed in a Islamic religious ritual. That seems as legit for people who have srong religious beliefs.

    Perhaps if they were object to the hanging of Gays in Iran and Saudi Arabia it would better?
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    Is there anything that forbids a person from another religion from eating a turkey that is given a Muslim, Jewish, or other prayer? What exactly is the issue here? Are you afraid that you are now a Muslim for having eaten Butterball turkeys in the past? Do you think that food from Jamaica, Saudi Arabia, or other countries should carry a warning that says, "Warning: By eating this item you are supporting governments that oppress homosexuals?" If I buy a product with parts made in a country I don't agree with, do you think there should be warning. Do you think that your toaster oven should say, "Warning: Some of the electronic components of this product have been made in Socialist countries?" The only reason it would be an issue is if Christians, for instance, proscribed eating Halal meat. But, to my knowledge, there are many Christians even today who enjoy Kosher and Muslim food. Have you ever eaten in a deli or a foreign restaurant? Do you ask if there are any prayers said over the food? Do you look in the menu for information about the religious practices associated with the preparation of the food?
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    Halal slaughter involves cutting the trachea, the esophagus, and the jugular vein, and letting the blood drain out while saying "Bismillah allahu akbar" -- in the name of Allah the greatest. Many people refuse to eat it on religious grounds. Many Christians, Hindus or Sikhs and Jews find it offensive to eat meat slaughtered according to Islamic ritual (although observant Jews are less likely to be exposed to such meat, because they eat kosher).


    I presume that the author of this American Thinker article, as well as yourself, would be quite well acquainted with the Jewish Kosher ritual slaughter and preparation of food since you are all big fans of Israel and all things Jewish....

    Which is why I find it surprising that Christians such as yourself or the author would find it "offensive" to cut the trachea, the espohagus an the jugular vin and letting the blood drain out since that is exactly what Shechita entails and I've yet to read an article bemoaning the barbaric and painful process when it involves kosher preparations.

    As to the muttering of words, who really gives a damn? If you don't believe them, they don't affect you, do they?

    In fact, much like Christians wishing non-Chrisitans a "Merry Christmas," you should be thankful that someone thinks enough of you, a non-member of their religion, to offer you a blessing on your food or your day.
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    No objections to accommodations being made for kosher foods, though, huh?
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    Voo Doo People
    Stay Away From My Turkey

    Dear Voo Doo People
    Buy a turkey, take it home, perform your ritual sh!t in your own kitchen.
    Thank You
    Your Friend Harry.
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    Actually, many Muslims eat Kosher food because it's similar to Halal food, but more available.
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    Christains who object to this do so strictly because they are anti-muslim. They don't care about the heinous conditions their food is raised in and slaughtered by. They don't give a crap (pun intended) about the hormones, chemicals and infected dung the animals are fed. They don't care about the torture animals undergo their entire brief lives. Nooooo! But when they hear that some assinine ritual or prayer is said over the slaughtered animal, religious nutjobs get all erect and grab their holy warrior keyboards to vent their latest false outrage in the name of "freedom". What a bunch of jackasses! Not sure about the "conservative" tag applied to this group, but "IDIOTS" certainly does apply here.

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    Who cares about "the Islamic world" when the topic is Butterball turkeys?

    What I find amusing is the fake concern that the slaughter under halal is "torturous" -- guess Geller and her followers are going to join PETA and go vegan?

    I'd be curious how the "prayer" is actually performed. I'm skeptical that there's somebody praying over each turkey as it's slaughtered -- whether the prayer is Muslim or Hebrew (if that's what kosher slaughter requires) or anything else.
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    Funny you would presume I am a Christian......:singing:
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    Hello.

    I want to add my opinion but just to be clear, I respect everyone else's opinion and I do not represent anyone but myself.

    First and foremost, I would be classified under the label, Muslim. Why I say this is because every single individual is different and I do not pretend to represent the entire Muslim community. To me the arabic word Muslim is a verb and not a noun. The word literally means "submitter to God's will", not some racial identity or movement. the last time I checked, we're all human, therefore, we are all created by the same creator. Hence the different "gods" that people think there are is man made. There is only the same God but is being interpreted differently by individuals. We are all family.

    Now on to the food part.

    1. Bismillah Allahu Akbar. It translates to "In the name of God the greatest". Allah is an Arabic term meaning Oneness of God. This phrase is uttered is not exclusive to slaughter but is said before doing anything. It is the equivalent of saying grace before dinner or driving your car or whatever else yore doing. The point is not to bless the animal but it is a reminder that this bounty comes from God. One should say "In the name of God" when one slaughters an animal or slice an orange.

    2. The consumption of halal or kosher or whatever meat is really open to individual interpretation. The scriptures really leave it open. The Quran says that "one should only consume something for the sake of God". The word consume itself has a broad interpretation and to me doesn't literally mean eat.

    3. We all have more common issues than differences but we all harp on the little things.

    4. The word halal just means "permissible". Not blessed.
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