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  1. NePatriots

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    That seems like a fake report. Either that or the reporter at that site needs to take some Journalism 101. All I got out of that was that he thought it was awesome and pretty cool. Is he 10 years old?
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    You do know the reporter is a blogger and a fellow board member whom I believe does this for fun and not as part of his career plans after graduating from Columbia Journalism School?
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    Yikes BadMoFo. That hurt a wee bit. I felt like there was some good info in there for the board. And FWIW, it's not a fake report, I've spoken with Connor on a few occasions.
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    Nice, I liked the info there - it's cool to here who Barwin specifically met with, and its really interesting to see the way different teams are evaluating him - (olb/te vs. strict de) - obviously it makes sense for the pats to see how well he's kept up with his offensive knowledge, but it was also interesting how the teams that are evaluating him as a kind of dual-role guy are belichick-tree teams (NE, KC) whereas fisher and his guy schwartz are not. Its cool to see different philosophies at work
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    Yeah, I'm still surprised that the Pats are mainly interested in him on the offensive ball -- unless it is some elaborate smokescreen.
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    I'm mildly encouraged by the fact that the Patriots seem to be playing this one low key and close to the vest. Whoever the Pats end up picking, whether it's Barwin or someone else, I don't expect to hear a ton of reports that they are totally enamored of that pick. So bringing him in for a visit and publicly focusing on him as TE would be consistent with what I would expect if they were genuinely interested.
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    Perhaps, but amidst the peeing match in the laughing Mayock thread I did do a TE comparison between Barwin and Watson using their college numbers and Combine/Pro Day data, not to mention the various interviews that have let us get inside Barwin's head a little. The clear difference between the two is Barwin gets described as "clutch" as a TE, and has a much greater Special Teams background to his resume, not to mention occasionally rushing the passer. With Watson a UFA after this year...why not Barwin at TE? Can't hurt.
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    His Special-teams ability is how I think a team can get away with drafting him in the late first or early second round, and if any team values good ST play, it is the Patriots. ST allows Barwin to play make an impact while he develops into a TE/LB/DE
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    That could be one take on it. However, here is my take on him meeting with Fears/Waldron/O'Brien. As a 3-4 OLB in the Pats system, you have to know how to play both the left and right side. When on the left side, Barwin would be going up against the TE. By knowing what the TE would do, Barwin is better able to read and react and be in position for the play. Also, lets not forget about Vrabel. Vrabel caught 8 TDs from the TE spot. The Patriots could be eyeing Barwin as the 3 TE in Goal Line situations much like where they had Vrabel lining up at times.

    I noticed that he mentioned that he talked to Pees, but didn't mention what he talked to Pees about or for how long he talked to Pees. For that matter, how long he talked to Belichick wasn't mentioned either.

    Its a good blog post. It would have been nice to pepper Barwin with questions, but clearly the author didn't want to compromise the nice situation he has with Barwin.

    People seem to forget that these guys aren't obligated to talk to us. Just like the WR from the 2004 Pats that I talked to. He didn't have to share anything with me. The fact that he did was cool and I appreciated his time.
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    According to some of the folks who cover Bearcat football, Barwin would even talk to mav if he had a pen and pad. He's just a nice guy who takes pity on emotionally scarred people like news reporters and such. :D
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    We did lose Vrabel as the #4 TE so we need a big TE that can block and catch. It's probably legit.
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    I wonder how the board would react if we drafted Barwin for the sole purposes of making him a TE.
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    Cool by me, but I know a few who would have kittens and then strangle them. :D
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    I sure hope the Pat's don't spend a round one pick on a special teams tackler. Gary Guyton is a good special teams player. Undrafted. Guyton is probably as good a natural athlete as Barwin. Yes-Guyton should have been drafted-but probably round 5-7. I would sure hate to get a back-up TE/backup LB, special teamer in round one. I see comparisons to Watson. Watson was a mistake in round one. I would not draw comparisons to Watson to make a point to draft Barwin. Watson has never performed at a level that a first rounder should play at. Buyer beware in round one. If Watson were a round 4 pick -it would make more sense.
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    Barwin ran a 4.47 40. I don't know what Guyton ran but i dont think its near that.
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    Seems like a solid 3rd round guy.
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    Guyton ran a 4.47/4.45 depending on who you talk to. The fastest among all linebackers last year.
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    I seem to remember him being that fastest LB at the combine but I would have to check that out. When they got him after the draft I though he might get reps on special with that good speed. Little did I know then how much I would be watching him, or Hochstien in the backfield but I did enjoy both:D
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    How could he have known that?:confused:
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    It's been mentioned once or a dozen times when he invites us to go read items he's blogged.
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    I must have missed it. I just didn't see any author name for the article anywhere on that link. If I did, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been a Patsfan screen name.
    No biggie BOR.
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    No worries, I just wanted Mofo to be aware that we weren't reading Mike Reiss in drag.
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    That info can be found under the Patriots Mock Draft Database sticky
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    I'd be thrilled. ST is where everyone starts and my boy CB happens to like the Red Zone as a TE which also happens to be a "weakness" of ours of late.

    Kyle Brady says hello. BB snagged him with high hopes but things just didn't work out. Because things didn't work out with KB doesn't mean BB still wouldn't entertain the thought of improving upon that position. My boy CB is reportedly reputed to do well at that position plus he shows potential for OLB.

    We're going to do very well in this draft no matter if we get CB or not, but CB brings some bang for our buck if we're lucky enough to see him maybe drop.

    Personally I hope the negative press keeps on coming, I hope by the time the press gets done roasting him he becomes an afterthought on April 25th.

    I hope he sinks like a rock. Let's ressurect that "Barwin Is Overrated" thread again; Mayock obviously reads this board:D
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    The April 8 Path to the Draft program caught people's attention for Mayock stating Robert Ayers would be the best defensive player in this draft when they look back in three years; however, there was also a discussion on the Top Five DEs. The discussion was noteworthy for Charlie Casserly's list, which included the prospect who-must-not-be-named-lest-the-very-mention-of-his-name-lead-to-riots-and-other-civil-unrest as his #5 DE. Casserly is not the most reliable source for identifying 3-4 OLB prospects, but his record on DEs is much healthier. He of course insists the nameless one is a third round value, but was also quite certain this nameless prospect would be drafted much higher due to the premium on pass rushers - Charlie was rather complementary on the lad's pass rushing prowess. NFL.com does not yet have a clip of this segment up yet or I'd link to it for you.

    Per Athlon Sports, an average of four defensive ends are drafted in round one and nine drafted in the first three rounds. Casserly's ranking is consistent with NFL Draft Scout's ranking of #31, which they consider a late first/early second selection. The #34 people may rejoice to know they are partnered with Charlie Casserly. I of course, remain adamant that the young gentleman is best selected with the #23 pick to ensure he wears NE colors for the foreseeable future.
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