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  1. Patters

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    Okay, I know there's a lot of politics here, but try to look at this objectively. Assuming the complaint is correct, Bush signed into law legislation that was different in the House and Senate. I'm not fully sure of the implications -- but clearly our government has to honor the Constitution. (Bradblog by the way is a pretty reliable liberal site that focuses mostly on election issues.)

    http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002743.htm

    "On February, 8 at 3:43 p.m.," the complaint alleges, Bush signed a bill that "never was passed by the United States House of Representatives."

    The difference in the language of the House and Senate bills, is a clause requiring Medicare to cover rent for "certain durable medical equipment." The version of the bill pased by the House requires payments for 36 months. The Senate version requires payments for only 13 months.

    The difference in the cost of the federal outlays for the two different versions is said to be approximately $2 billion.

    The two houses of Congress were never able to pass a joint version of the bill, and yet, House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL) and President Pro Tem of the United States Senate, Ted Stevens (R-AK), "signed a statement attesting that the bill signed by the President had been passed by both the United States House and the United States Senate."
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  3. Patters

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    Yeah, Harry, I think Bush is pretty much nailed, with approval ratings down in the low 30s and Republicans, conservatives, and pundits turning against him. He got elected (credit Rove for that), but he's pretty much as bad as we've been saying all along, and he's in the running for the worst president in U.S. history:

    http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=125&article=35774&archive=true
    http://hnn.us/articles/5019.html
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    There doesn't seem to be any attempt to nail Bush on anything here. The most the Dems would get is a judgement nullifying the law. It's not like anyone would be tossed in jail for this, they'd just say "whoops" and have to debate it again.

    But I think it would set bad precedent if they just ignored it. Come to think of it, everyone should just say "whoops" now and do the whole thing over (assuming there was a mistake and the same bill didn't pass both houses), it'll be much easier to save face if they don't fight only to have a judge rule against them.
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    Yea we talked about this previously, but looks like Conyers & Crew are using their political capitol to pursue it, found another source beside BradBlog...looks like the decider made another bad decision...

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20...xIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--


    As some of you may be aware, according to the President and Congressional Republicans, a bill does not have to pass both the Senate and the House to become a law. Forget your sixth grade civics lesson, forget the book they give you when you visit Congress - "How Our Laws Are Made," and forget Schoolhouse Rock. These are checks and balances, Republican-style.

    As the Washington Post reported last month, as the Republican budget bill struggled to make its way through Congress at the end of last year and beginning of this year (the bill cuts critical programs such as student loans and Medicaid funding), the House and Senate passed different versions of it. House Republicans did not want to make Republicans in marginal districts vote on the bill again, so they simply certified that the Senate bill was the same as the House bill and sent it to the President. The President, despite warnings that the bill did not represent the consensus of the House and Senate, simply shrugged and signed the bill anyway. Now, the Administration is implementing it as though it was the law of the land.
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    But that would involve a lot of arrogant egomaniacs admitting they made a mistake and correcting it without making someone look bad in the process...unacceptable!
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    It seems like it's too clear cut of a thing - every word uttered in open congress is recorded into the congressional record, so if the Dems are right the judge wouldn't have any trouble deciding - might as well say it was an accident now rather than have it look like you were trying to pull a fast one later.
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    Quite so. If it's a mistake, fix it or if it's an end run around the process thru a loophole or plain illegal, stand up and challenge it.
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    The words "stand up and challenge" don't exist in the vocabulary of the democratic party at this time.
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    Isn't this what the lawsuit is?

    As an aside sort of thing, I'm not 100% sure the Dems have legal standing to bring the suit. The judge may defer to the chambers' internal rules for sorting it out.
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    The lawsuit may only be a clarification of procedure type thing. Of course they'll like it if it makes the chimp look bad, but this is hardly anything close to showing backbone, and if it is, how sad have they been lately if this is what passes for standing up to the administration.
    Good point on the aside.

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