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  1. shmessy

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    GREAT reclamation project.

    The kid has shown great improvement the past 3 weeks and was simply lights out today.

    Tough times make tough people and this is a wonderful story (and GREAT for our secondary depth).
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    Not sure how you can call him a reclamation project when he's only a 2nd year player.. But, that being said, He has done a helluva job the last few weeks..
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    C'mon Dabruinz - - he was buried after the third game of the season and was sent back to remedial class. They replaced him with a UDFA (who played out of his mind, himself) who had previously been strictly a special teams player. He barely saw the field for the next 10 weeks. It was a huge comeuppance.
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    Pretty good game. If he could learn to turn for the ball the way McCourty has he'll be very good. I'm still high on the guy -- only in his second year, after all, in a position that takes time to learn.
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    definitely has played better. lets hope he continues to improve
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    I always thought he was unfairly blamed after that Jets game. He struggled, no doubt, but so did McCourty in that game. But he's still too young to give up on.

    He played well today. I wish he would turn his head around a bit quicker, as he had a few opportunities to make some picks. But yeah, playing much better than at the beginning of the year.

    Arrington struggled today though. I wonder if Butler will overtake him at some point. Good to see him at least playing well enough to discuss though.
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    This is excellent news. If his play continues to improve, then we will have three solid corners next year when Bodden comes back.
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    I think he lost his confidence and needed to regain it, he played very well in his rookie season.
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    Again. He's a 2nd year player. You can exaggerate it all you want, but it doesn't change that fact.
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    OK, Dabruinz, he's been fine all along and hasn't made great strides coming from being buried on the bench.

    Happy New Year.
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    Sorry about excluding Arrington. Four solid corners for sure. :D
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    I feel the same way...got his confidence back in practice and probably got the confidence of the staff
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    Good point, it goes both ways.
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    Again, why the exaggerations? Where did I say he was "fine all along"??

    I'm sorry that you claiming he was a "reclamation project" makes it sound like he was a POS that had never done anything good in his short career.

    In MY opinion, Butler had made good strides last year. Yes, he faultered early on and slid down the depth chart. But, again, he is a 2nd year player and there are always growing pains. It's not like he was jettisoned, was working as a groundskeeper for his alma mater for 8 weeks and got the call to come back. Butler was on the team, working to improve and working to regain his confidence. Which he has clearly done.

    I don't know what Butler's top end it. It could just be that of a Slot Corner or it could be the RCB opposite McCourty. Who knows..

    As for Arrington's status, he was one of the most sought after UDFA. The Pats put claims in on him more than once last year before finally getting him. And they made sure he stuck. And he made sure he stuck. That doesn't make Arrignton's skill any less. What Arrington did was use his confidence from Special Teams to propel him and help him learn the defense better. And it's hard to argue with the great success Arrington has been on Special Teams.
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    This is a thread I've been waiting for since that first Jets game. I am so happy that he is starting to mature as a player and make contributions.

    I hope he continues on this track, play well in the playoffs and secure us a solid nickel corner.
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    I also disagree with the idea that Butler is a "reclamation project". He was essentially forced into starting duty last season as a rookie, and did a decent job of it. If there were capable players behind him on the roster, maybe he wouldn't have had to play so much, although the experience was surely good for him.

    Now that he's not one of the best CBs on the roster, it makes him look worse for not getting on the field much for parts of this season.

    I'd call it a young guy who had a slight setback in a promising career before I'd call him a "reclamation project".
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    i follow him on twitter, hes thankful for all the support and knows he been playing better but continues to need the support, it seems all the rookies and young players are going out in Rochester, NY tonight
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    Butler was outstanding today. His challenge is to show consistent high level performance.
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    Agreed. If anything it was a good confidence game for him. Not to nit-pick too badly but if he turned around a half a second sooner on a PD, he would have had a pick. Oh well.

    On the opposite end of the spectrum, Arrington has a tough day. I still think the kids has had a fine season, but he gave up a couple of long passes today.
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    I'll take your word for that.
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    I disagree with the idea that he is a "reclamation project" or that he "lost confidence." This was a player that just had a hard time getting away from the mindset that one gets by on pure athleticism in the NFL. He's starting to get the picture that you just can't ignore fundamentals or proper technique.
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    I think he might have lost confidence too. Starting a few games opposite a veteran corner is one thin. All of a sudden being the vet leader at cornerback with a rookie that happened to have confidence up the ying yang could have caused him to doubt himself.

    Takes a lot of different personalities to make a team. If he has good character, he'll continue to improve and we could have the most kickass top four corners in the league next year. Wilhites damn good for a 5 too, that's where others have scrubs.

    People worry about who starts and how much playing time for the backups, but it's not a two wideout league anymore. If you have 4-5 good corners you might be better off than 2 all pros IMO.

    It's a copy cat league and they'll be copying us. Can we be contained with two top corners and also rans? Ask the Jets.
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    I love Rochester at night. Unfortunately, I have to work, so I can't troll the city and hope I run into them. Which would be AWESOME.

    As for Butler, I still think he tries to simply outrun his WR. He needs to learn to be more patient and start reading offenses and reacting to what he diagnoses, and then letting the athleticism take over. I still have high hopes for him. :)
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    I'm liking Butler's progress too. I think the first Jet game just pointed out that at THIS point of his career, Butler is going to have a problem with big strong physical WRs, like he did with Edwards. IIRC he was THERE on a lot of those catches that day, just that he wasn't in position to make a play on the ball That showed a lack of both technique and experience.

    I am REALLY looking forward to next season's CB group. With Boddin, McCourty, Arrington, Butler, and Willhite the Pats will have 5 CBs with experience and the skill set to play inside and outside the hashes. It has taken several years, but we have NEVER been that talented and deep at the CB position before in the BB era.

    The best record in the NFL....AND the best is yet to come. WOW.
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    Butler has always had good speed and quickness; he just needed improvement with his ball skills. Luckily the latter can be taught.

    Confidence and even ****iness is important for a CB and I suspect that he is starting to get that back too.
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    OK, folks, looking back, the term "reclamation project" probably was not the best choice of words.

    The point, however, is that the coaching staff obviously took him off the field and out of the regular starter position early in the season and decided to teach him basic, remedial fundamentals - - he truly was taken back to school. The progress he has shown the past three weeks has been stark - - his angles, his front hand, his focus on the WR's hips instead of his eyes, etc.

    The coaching staff did a great job there. And to Darius' credit, he allowed himself to be coached - - it's not easy to drop bad habits and relearn. I admire him for achieving this.
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    Like any other sport....Football is not just physical but mental. Darius is physically gifted but you need to be able to apply it. Confidence/swagger is a big factor when playing CB and I think there was alot of pressure on him. I am glad to see that he has turned it around and the coaches brought him back slowly and played him in situations where he could succeed.
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