Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by slash83, Dec 5, 2011.
Keep em coming 51!
And it was a great INT too. Full arm extension, used his hands, nice pick.
On his way to breaking the Int record, might be while before that.
It points out a larger problem; neither he nor any of our Linebackers are good and coverage. Not even in our zone scheme.
Mayo making a great interception points out a coverage problem?
1st of career. Not that I expect a lot of picks from LB's, but he does not get deflections either and is consistently beat in coverage. He is a great run stopping linebacker, not so good in coverage.
None of that, regardless of truth, was pointed out by Mayo's interception.
Also, Patrick Willis has a total of 5 interceptions in his career, has had 2 seasons without an interception and has 2 seasons with just 1 interception. The notion that your ILB is expected to be an interception machine is fallacious.
I was too late to post.
I was wondering how many posts before we get to the "Still, he's not a playmaker reply"
Some tims people are only happy if they are complaining.
The fact that it was his first career pick shows that he hasn't had any others. The play it self was very good, great catch. I never said he is supposed to pick a lot of balls, but I do expect him to defend a lot of balls and make tackles on third downs in front of the first down markers. He does not do that enough IMO. As far as Patrick Willis, he is the best in the game and has 80% more interceptions then Mayo. He makes plays in front of the sticks and consistantly defends passes, making them more difficult for the QB. Mayo is simply not great in coverage. I don't know why that is off base.
It was a very nice catch, take it for what it is worth..
No need for the anticipated "yeah buts"
You took the opportunity of the interception to go on a barely tangential attack against the player. That's fine, but don't pretend that the interception somehow pointed out a coverage problem, because it didn't.
And that percentage argument is terrible, as I'm sure you realized the moment you hit "submit reply".
As I said, the interception was a very good play. The fact that it was the first of his 4 year career is evidence that coverage is part of his game that needs to be improved. No need to get nasty big guy.
Do not get me started on Mayo.
He is a fine tackler...thats about it in terms of tangible on-field ability.
Agreed. That was an amazing catch.
Nothing I said was nasty, and the fact of the number of INTs means nothing. Again, Willis, currently considered the best ILB in the game, has only 5 career INTs.
You wanted to bash Mayo, and that's fine for you. You just chose a poor foundation for the bashing. The INT argument is garbage.
That was one of the better interceptions I've ever seen by a LB his size. Looked like a WR stretching out for the ball.
The INT number is simply a small bit of evidence. The basis of my bashing is that he does not challenge passes as often as I would like and he does not make tackles on third down plays in front of the sticks often either. Certainly not as much as Willis, although to be fair Willis is the best in the game.
while it is true that Brettlax used the original post to "go on a barely tangential attack" on Mayo, the same can be said about your post in response to Brettlax's. how in god's earth does the fact that Patrick Willis only has 5 interceptions have ANYTHING to do with Mayo's ability. Who on earth made Patrick the be all end all of linebackers? How does interceptions by another player have anything to do with Mayo? so to spew what you did about the attack by Brettlax and then do what you did makes no sense
Brettlax was merely indicating what I think most people see, which is that Mayo does have the ability to make tackles, but his ability to cover another player is sub-par. i call mayo's tackles "Mayo Specials." That being, the player Mayo is guarding makes the catch, then Mayo makes the tackle and then everyone starts talking about how good mayo is because he makes all the tackles.
obviously, the interception does not indicate a problem of our coverage, but the 1 interception indicates how mayo does not have the interceptions.
Gee, I don't know. Maybe the fact that he's the best linebacker in the league?
maybe...but more importantly, does that mean since he is the be all end all at LB's, the fact that Mayo has 4 less INTs less than him means that mayo is good in coverage?
No, the same cannot be said. My response was directly on point.
I refuse to believe that you are so clueless that you don't understand why a comparison of INTs (the initial topic of the thread) is important to the discussion when getting an INT was the purported reason for his commentary. As a result, I'll just assume that part of your post was just throw away material.
Then you had no real reason to interject your post as a counter to mine, since you're conceding my very point.
No. It simply means that interceptions aren't a terribly useful metric for judging a linebacker's coverage ability.
I conceded that Interceptions arent the be all and end all of coverage ability as well. What I am saying is that when watching Mayo he struggles in coverage and does not challenge enough pass attempts. Nor does he make tackles in front of the first down marker in big spots....enough.
saying your response is directly on point, and actually being directly on point are not the same thing im sorry to say. you brought up a completely different player, from a completely different team, with a completely different system and compared statistics. and because the statistics resembled eachother (in that they were both not good), you said the players are comparable.
I think part of the issue is that people WANT Mayo to evolve into the next Ray Lewis, Bruschi or Urlacher- men that made/make a living at forcing turnovers, making a INT in a millisecond's reaction to a thrown pass. Its tough to live up to.
What we do know is that BB LOVES the kid and has gone out of his way to sing praises for his play and work ethic. Additionally, what we also know is that he was defensive rookie of the year and in his 3rd year was an All-Pro. That indicates to me that his play is highly respected around the league.
Personally, I'd like him to become the next Bruschi or Lewis as well, but the problem is that he may never get there. We'll just have to settle for an LB who can do sideline to sideline as well as anyone, is a sure tackler, excellent leader and creates turnovers every now as opposed to all the time.
haha, ok. so because both players have low INT numbers that means mayo is good in coverage. ok.
im only interjecting because you ripped brettlax on the premise that brettlax used 1 stat to prove his point when that stat does not necessarily prove his point.
subsequently, you did the same thing. you, i think, missed the point of my post
i actually agree with you that the 1 interception does not indicate our coverage is bad.
I brought up a comparison regarding the INTERCEPTIONS. I'm sorry that you think ILB interceptions are not directly on point in a comparison to ILB interceptions. I'd help disabuse you of that notion if I could.
His first INT since 2007 vs Arkansas. Wohoray!
I'm surprised he caught that one. The ball was thrown high wide and fast and he made a nice athletic move.
Ok, so you're only interjecting because you have a reading comprehension issue.
Separate names with a comma.