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  1. Mrs.PatsFanInVa

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    #24 Jersey

    Pat Buchanan joins Glen Beck and The Wall Street Journal in arguing that The Norway shooter "may have had a valid point" and that he "may be right."

    It's amazing to me.....they wring their hands and say, "Oh terrible tragedy, terrible tragedy. Only a madman would do such a thing," and then they go on to say "But, awful as this atrocity was, native-born and homegrown terrorism is not the macro-threat to the continent.

    That threat comes from a burgeoning Muslim presence in a Europe that has never known mass immigration, its failure to assimilate, its growing alienation, and its sometime sympathy for Islamic militants and terrorists.

    As for a climactic conflict between a once-Christian West and an Islamic world that is growing in numbers and advancing inexorably into Europe for the third time in 14 centuries, on this one, Breivik may be right.


    Pat Buchanan: Norwegian Right-Wing Terrorist ‘Breivik May Be Right’ | ThinkProgress

    All of this does nothing but serve to perk the ears of Crusading ideologists and Templar Wannabes and encourage them to order some fertilizer and pick up some hollow points in anticipation....and when the "war" doesn't come fast enough for them, they'll start it themselves.
     
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    The right wing is terribly dangerous right now, perhaps as dangerous as it was in the 1950s. The Tea Party extremists are a threat to American democracy, and they are embraced by major media players like Buchanan and Beck. It's really disgusting. I think people like that represent the last stand of those who fear that white's will soon be a minority in this country. They are doing everything possible to disenfranchise people and disrupt the economy in the hope of provoking a backlash. They are truly dangerous, and the Republican leadership is too emasculated to stand up to them.
     
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    Well said, and 100% accurate.

    But the spin-tacular backlash is winding up. Look alive.
     
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    How are they a threat to American democracy? Are they trying to overturn the Constitution? Take voting rights away from law abiding citizens?

    Or is that simply how you describe any group of people who don't subscribe to the jealously-filled, hate-fueled rage and perversion of liberalism (a political platform which, I may add, absolutely nobody in the mainstream takes seriously)?
     
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    Anita Baker lol.
     
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    They are trying to overturn the Constitution by disenfranchising people, blocking collective bargaining, opposing equal rights for minorities, not caring about the equal pursuit of liberty (their attacks on Muslims are examples of that), objecting to the welfare of the American people by protecting the wealthy, and cutting aid to poor kids and the needy. And, no, I'm not jealousy filled at all -- when I worked in technology and was in the highest tax bracket I was happy to pay the high taxes since it meant I was earning a lot. By the same facile reasoning by which you say I'm jealous, I can assume that you simply worship the white wealthy people in this country, that you're a sycophant, and that you are jealous that minorities are eating into your power. But, as I said, that's simplistic reasoning.

    And, by the way, whatever you think of liberalism, the fact remains that its whipped conservatives historically from the defeat of slavery, to the passage of union rights, to the laws protecting child workers, to the woman's right to vote, to the Civil Rights movement, to gay marriage, to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. The fact is that conservativism has historically been for losers and the conservative ideas keep dying in the dustbin of history unable to hold back the tide of change for long, though now with the attempt at fascism by the right we once again face a McCarthyesque threat.
     
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    Never would I ever condone what that madman did. The guy is a sick **** that deserves to have his testicals removed without anesthesia. That being said, the muslim invasion of western europe is indeed a problem. The thing is, you don't ever use this mans horrible actions to even discuss that fact, because it may give a faint notion of justification to some.
     
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    By and large, western European culture, like American culture, dominates the Muslim religion. If you knew any Muslims, you'd know many of them drink, like porn, go to Mosque irregularly, wear western style clothes, go to the movies, etc. As with some Christians, there are some Muslims with ridiculous views, but they are a minority. The other issues with Muslims are the same as the issues with other minorities: poverty. My guess is that you do not know a single Muslim, and your image of them is tainted by the racist screams of the right wing media.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    You and I don't often agree on things but I think we're on the same page here......

    When media people or politicians make the statements that are being made it not only serves to justify the act but to encourage others to act similarily - and what's more, it also serves as a "warning" to Muslims. It's pretty much telling them, just like it's telling the homegrown terrorist types, that a war is going to be necessary sometime in the future - which is going to make them think that they, too, better be ready.

    It's like one group is the kindling and one group is the paper and Beck/WSJ/Buchanan and their ilk are just oh-so-eager to be the match.

    And when the fire's finally raging, they'll sit back and say, "Remember folks, you heard it here first. I predicted back in 2011 that this was going to happen and here it is."
     
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    Wow, how ******* stupid do you feel? I employ muslims you chooch. :rolleyes:

    Do you not watch the news? Do you not see what's gone on in France & Germany with the muslim invasion, and their refusal to assimilate? Not each and everyone of course, but certainly a sizable chunk of that immigrant population. I deal in reality pal. I don't deal in politically correct, can't talk about that, BS jargon that you and some others do.
     
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    OT: The WSJ doesn't fit with Beck and Buchanan. It's actually a very good paper. I haven't read that op piece yet but will check it out tomorrow.
     
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    Got'cha. They have a platform you oppose politically, so you accuse them of trying to "overturn the Constitution.' :rolleyes:
    Boy that sure sounds an awful lot like a personal attack to me. Oh but wait, you're liberal, i.e. more equal than others.
    No, seriously. What color is the sky on your world? Chartreuse?
     
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    To an extent I certainly agree, and what I'll say not as a defense, but more as my idea on what they (Beck/Buchanan/etc) might be thinking, is that they see a very serious problem. They truly see a grave issue here with respect to what they say. I just don't think it's wise to segway from this incident, to that issue, no matter how serious you think it may be. Again that is me. Some others might feel that not discussing, or dealing with the issue prior, is why something like this has/might happen(ed). To that I would say hoey. No one, no matter what, should ever go out and cold bloodedly murder innocent people. If someone (heaven forbid) went out and slaughtered people over illegal immigrants, it wouldn't make me say we need Amnesty, nor would it make me say "see we need to deport these people". It would make me say that there are some crazy ***** on this planet, that need to have their testicles removed with plyers. Here, regardless of where you stand on the crux of the man's motive, you simply shouldn't discuss it. So it's not that those pundits had a bad point, it's that they used very bad judgement in using this horrible tragedy as a means to discuss it. It's wrong to do imo.
     
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    I've lived in Paris and have spent time in the Muslim area. My niece (Jewish) is married to a Muslim in Europe. Yes, there are radical elements, and they're the ones who make the news. The boring ones don't make the news. Didn't you realize that? There are around 3 million Muslims in France, and I think it's a very small percentage who are refusing to assimilate. Assimilation takes several generations, and Europe's Muslim population is only a generation old or so for the most part.
     
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    Europe is turning into Eurabia as we speak. The muslims are imposing sharia law and already taking over area of the countries they are invading.


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    Why this clown and his followers are sent back to the serers they emigrated from is a mystery. Note they are quite explicit about the endgame just as the National Socialist were the Libs just wanted tolerance and peace in out time .....we all know how that worked out.


    Funny part is that since I don't drink or smoke I could live easily with these rules whereas libs especially gay people and Jews would/will be killed by these people when they become the majority.
     
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    This sort of reads like the same paranoia that was once directed at Jews and Roman Catholics. I think the right-wing bigots are sowing paranoia. There is no Sharia law anywhere in Europe.
     
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    Go have a gay block party with beer and a dj in an area where these signs are posted and get back to us....

    Of course there are the area around Paris where they had the riots and the police will no longer go, the list goes on.

    People called Churchill paranoid for believing that Hitler meant what he said.

    I will also bet that no 'moderate' mulsims will condemn this sort of vigalante sharia enforcement.
     
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    That's got to be the first time in about 10 years that the words "Buchanan" and "major media player" appeared in the same sentence.

    Really? Sounds scary.
     
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    Abolitionists were fundamentalist Christians, bub.

    Check out Wilberforce.

    Again. The churches.

    What was that group? The Southern Christian Leadership Conference? When the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964 which party had a higher percentage of members vote for the act?

    Where would liberals be without McCarthy?
     
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    What signs??

    The same thing applies in many parts of America where the American Christian Taliban is trying to take control of every action and every decision that you make.
     

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