Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by ctpatsfan77, Apr 2, 2009.
OK . . . how do you feel about it?
Hmmmmm, lemme think.
I'd rather have twos 1sts and a 3rd than just a 2nd.
We got jipped. No ands, ifs or buts.
I think Chicago just shot themselves in the foot and Denver is going to get a couple really good DL out of this draft.
We didn't get enough and the Bears finally getting a franchise QB is to me, worth the seemingly ridiculous amount of compensation.
No one in their right mind can say that a 2nd pick for a quality starter is enough. They might of had their hand forced to clear cap space but not a chance that deal worked in the patriots favor. It is going to take a hell of a draft pick to make up for what they could of had.
You can't compare them because Cutler didn't come with a $15M bill.
My take: we didn't get fair value for a very good QB in his prime, but it was still a good trade. Because Cassel was under the cap for $15M and going to be a backup and we had major holes to fill with little cap space, we had nowhere near as much leverage as the Broncos who had Cutler locked up cheap for 3 more years as their starting QB.
Right, if Cassell had another year at, say, $1.5M then I'd be saying Belichick was crazy. Given the situation we did fine.
The Pats got what they could as quickly as they could. We already saw the opportunity costs - if they don't deal Cassel right away they have no cap space. Then we wouldn't have seen them go on a spending spree and get Fred Taylor, Shawn Springs, Leigh Bodden, Chris Baker, Galloway, etc. etc. Having the BEST free agency period of any team and getting a high 2nd round pick is worth not waiting on a nebulous 3 way trade that MAY or MAY NOT have worked out for a 1st rounder.
We got what we could, the Broncos... got a freaking steal. Cutler's a good QB, don't get me wrong (and better than Cassel), but this reeks of Herschel Walker.
we still have Brady, but we called bluff way too early.
The Patriots could trade Brady he only has a 5 million dollar cap hit. Think of all the over priced first round picks the Patriots could get.
This poll completely takes out context, and thus is meaningless.
Cassel did not have cheap years left on his contract, and his franchise tag was crippling the Pats' ability to play in free agency. Time was a huge factor. Cassel also played 1 year with the best receivers in the league.
Cutler has 3 more relatively cheap years left on his contract, his cap was not killing the Broncos, and while he also had great receivers, his 3-year QB rating is 86.
It's tough to shoot yourself in the foot when you just got yourself a franchise QB. They did what they had to and stepped up to the plate. You think the Lions, 49ers, Seahawks or whoever else missed this trade are in better shape?
We should just be glad that it was the Bears and not the Jets.
I don't think the Broncos got a steal. They got good value if they were dead set on dealing him, but they dealt a 25 year old Pro Bowl QB. I think while they could've done worse, this isn't some great deal for them and it sets their franchise back.
QB's by far the most important position and they just dealt a really good, young one.
Can't compare the two, Cutler is a much higher commodity. If you want to wonder what if for no proven reason go right ahead but I could care less. We got almost a 1st rounder for a guy that everyone thought was going to be cut last year.
Compared to what Denver got we got screwed, the Bears gave away the short term future for a QB that hasn't won anything and who is just to immature at this moment. Hes a malcontent, hes is NOT team player Cutler MAY have a great arm but this has to be taken into consideration.
who really cares now if we did or didnt get enough for cassel the guys been traded lets move on.
Without the Cassell trade we don't get Taylor, Springs, Baker, Bodden, Galloway, Banta-Cain and resign Sanders. They most probably wouldn't have waited and thus signed elsewhere.
We did what was right at the time.
In addition to the contract situation - CUTLER IS BETTER.
The Pats cap issues aside:
Cutler has only been available for trade for a couple of days, and several teams were actively pursuing him according to all reports. Cassel was available for a few weeks or so, iirc, and apparently didn't generate anywhere near the same level of interest. In fact, other than KC, the only teams [supposedly] interested in Cassel, were reportedly only interested in using him to acquire Cutler, anyway. Based on that, I can't imagine that the Pats would have garnered anywhere near the same return for Cassel as Denver did for Cutler, whether they had waited any longer or not.
You think so? He sounds like a head case to me. I've never heard of someone making so much noise because his OC was fired. You really think he can handle it? He even had his parents living near him in Denver,that says something.
The reaction was weird but a talent like that is rare, I think the vast majority of NFL people would take Cutler over Cassel. How will Cutler do with those WR, that's uncertain.
I voted the Broncos got too much and the Pats didn't get enough. Belichick basically admitted that if he waited that he probably could have gotten more, but the question is whether the dozen or so spots to move up would have been worth either paying Vrabel his $1 million or letting him go and sign with the Jets or Browns. I don't think the Broncos would have sent everything they got in a three way deal from Tampa to the Pats for Cassel.
Although I am not high on Cutler, he does have a Pro Bowl and gaudy passing yards. That makes him more valuable than Cassel who was perceived as part of a system more than someone who could go anywhere. There were clearly more teams interested in Cutler, from the outside a lot more. That drove up his price. I doubt the Bears would have even given up a first rounder for Cassel since they weren't even rumored to be interested.
There were just a lot of teams who believe Cutler could be one of the great top teir QBs out there and they aren't as sure about Cassel.
On another note:
Denver = Dallas and Chicago = Minnesota - this is like the Herschel Walker trade all over again. How did that turn out for Minny and for Dallas?
Again, BF spreads wisdom. That is exactly the point. The Patriots were on the hook for Cassel's bill and one of the bidders for his services was Scott Pioli. That pretty much states why there is such inbalance between the two trades.
I feel fine about it. Nice job, Josh! Ditching "cry me a river" Cutler for 2 1st round picks in a nice deal for you..... Godspeed!
Like you I'm delighted that Cutler didn't go to the Jets. The Pats
got the most they could for Cassel in a slow market. The Cassel to
Denver thing started when the K.C. deal was almost complete. You
should also remember that Tampa was interested in Cutler and not
Cassel and Tampa was going to provide the 1st round pick.
I am just so glad that it was the Bears and not the stinking Jets that landed Cutler.
The Jets are going into 2009 with very little in the way of QB and that my friends, is how it should be!!!!!
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