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  1. Harry Boy

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    This is the very definition of political opportunism. If Republicans had decided to spy on Foley for sending overly friendly e-mails to pages, Democrats would have been screaming about a Republican witch-hunt against gays. But if they don't, they're enabling a sexual predator.

    In 1983, Democratic congressman Gerry Studds was found to have sexually propositioned House pages and actually buggered a 17-year-old male page whom he took on a trip to Portugal. The 46-year-old Studds indignantly attacked those who criticized him for what he called a "mutually voluntary, private relationship between adults."

    When the House censured Studds for his sex romp with a male page, Studds — not one to be shy about presenting his backside to a large group of men — defiantly turned his back on the House during the vote. He ran for re-election and was happily returned to office five more times by liberal Democratic voters in his Martha's Vineyard district. (They really liked his campaign slogan: "It's the outfit, stupid.")

    But now, the same Democrats who are incensed that Bush's National Security Agency was listening in on al-Qaida phone calls are incensed that Republicans were not reading a gay congressman's instant messages.
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    You'll post an Ann Coulter article, NEM will counter with a Michael Moore one. And tomorrow the cycle will continue.

    The big difference between Foley and Studds seems to be that the Studds relationship WAS consensual - the page Foley tried to court was rightfully freaked out.
     
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    Said it before and will say it again, the standards on how we judge relationships of power vs. those with less with regards to sexual conduct have changed in the past 23 years. I worked in the victimization field prior to retirement, our standards now are much different and better than they were in 1983.. so you are comparing raisins and grapefruit. Studds was wrong as is Foley.. btw never use the words common sense and coulter in the same sentence, as that makes no sense. If Studds did now what he did then he would have been run out of town on a rail. The RW needs a better comparison than Studds.. this is getting tiring.. is Foley at all responsible??
     
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    They certainly didn't change with Clinton-Lewinsky, Lewinsky certainly had less power and was a 21(?) yr old intern. The sexualy explicit IM's were between Foley and an 18 yr old ex page (no power relationship at all at that point).

    This in no way apologized for FOley's disgraceful behavior, merely to point out the double standard that dems are in denial about.
     
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    You might not be completely lying, but what you're saying isn't the complete truth either.

    Two former pages were reported to have met Foley for sexual liasons, they were reportedly 18 and 21 at the time and were no longer pages at the time of the liasons.

    Other pages (including the one that the FBI will be interviewing this week) received explicit emails from Foley while they were under 18 and still serving as pages.
     
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    Please specify which page, the kid in La or Edmund. Are you speaking about the emials or IM's they are different.

    The kid in LA recieved an emial(s) (2005), his parents asked their congressman to bring it to have these stopped, this happened to the parents satisfaction. The worst thing in the emails to the 16 yr old ex page is the request for a pic, nothing obscene.

    The IM's to Edmund were sexually explicit and leading. Those occured after Edmund was out of the page program, they happened in 2003 when Edmund was 18 (legally an adult). Hastert was not told of these IM's. Edmund is 21 now and being questioned by the FBI this week.

    I think you are mistaken about anyone geting obsscene emails before they were 21. Foley is a sick and slick operator, who target young gay males. His MO is to 'scout' the pages, stay in touch after they leave the program and then try to establis a relationship when they are 18 (adult).

    People like this (or Studds) don't belong in public office.
     
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    Source: http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/10/congress.pages.ap/

    Seems like it's been going on since 2000 or 2001, at least.
     
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    Reading the story about Kolbe's, it states that the guy was an ex page, and doesn't indicate he was a minor. while scummy on Foley's part I'm not sure how you prevent 1 adult from contacting another once the power relationship is gone?

    The real issue at this point was who knew about the IM's between Edmund andFoley and when did they know it.
     
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    The difference is that there was no relationship with Foley. Let us remember that. Matter of fact has Foley committed a crime?

    Ann Coulter and common sense...now that's some title!


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    The Clinton Lewinsky affair was no less reprehensible, to say there is no power between a ranking congressman seriously begs the issue. Clinton Lewinski was about power, and wrong. Studds and the Page was about power, and wrong. They are all wrong we expect certain standards from our elected officials and if they breach our confidence they should hit the bricks.
     
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    How can anyone compare Clinton's act to Foley's? First, Lewinsky was a 24 year old willing participant who had past sexual relations with previous superiors. By all accounts, she was very eager and flirtatious. In contrast, Foley sent emails out to pages who were 7-8 years younger then Lewinsky, and not wanting for sexual adventures. I'm not condoning what Clinton did, but it is not a comparable offense. Through millions of dollars spent on Whitewater, we know that Clinton committed adulterous crimes. We are in the initial phases of Foley's investigation. I wouldn't be making any statements defending his behavior as it relates to minors.
     
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    #15 Jersey

    How can anyone compare Clinton's act to Foley's? First, Lewinsky was a 24 year old willing participant who had past sexual relations with previous superiors. By all accounts, she was very eager and flirtatious. In contrast, Foley sent emails out to pages who were 7-8 years younger then Lewinsky, and not wanting for sexual adventures. I'm not condoning what Clinton did, but it is not a comparable offense. Through millions of dollars spent on Whitewater, we know that Clinton committed adulterous crimes. We are in the initial phases of Foley's investigation. I wouldn't be making any statements defending his behavior as it relates to minors.
     
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    When Foley sent the sexually explicit emails to Edmund, he was no longer a page, hence no power relationship, BTW the contact was by IM Edmund could have cut it off at will, Foley and he were never physically together!

    Again I agree ALl of these are wring, I onl ypoint out the double atandard applied by the MSM and the dems to these cases. No one demanded Clinton's resignation, everyone demanded Foley's resignation, Clinton had sex withth eintern, Foley sent dirty Im's to the ex page.
     
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    IIRC Lewinsky was a 21 yr old intern when they first got together. I don't really want to get started on Clinton's less documented history as a sexual predator. But if you want to go down THAT rathole...

    As far as Foley goes he conducted his liason remotly by IM after Edmund was an adult and no longer a page. Edmund could have just blocked Foley and not engaged, so apparently their IM sessions were concensual also. Again Foley is scum we are well rid of him.

    However as your response pooints the people on the left are unwilling to hold their guys to the same standard they want their enemies held to. I felt Studds was a better analogy to the Foley situation, but GJAJ15 says the standards were different 23 yrs ago (don't know if I agree with that)
     
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    I thought the crime of Mark Foley is not pornography or having sex with young boys.

    I have always thought the crime of Mark Foley is hypocrisy.

    For years, the Republicans have been using "homosexuality" and "family values" to win elections. These two issues have now come back to haunt the GOP.

    Mark Foley was not just an obscure congressman from Florida.

    He was the Chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children.

    He was also one of the foremost opponents of child pornography.

    He also introduced a bill in 2002 to outlaw web sites featuring sexually suggestive images of preteen children, saying that “these websites are nothing more than a fix for pedophiles.â€

    What is so shocking then is that the person in charge of safeguarding our children's welfare is himself a pedophile.

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    How can you define it this way, the page may have been in awe of Foley.. power relationships are not defined by when they are employed or whatever. Foley should not have had any involvement with this young man in any way shape or form, pure and simple do not justify his behavior.
     
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    Foley was a congressman...Clinton was the freekin President!
     
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    Problem there is no inidcation he ever had sex or exchanged sexual IM's/emails with anyone under 18, so no pedophile. As to Foley being a dirtbag, no one had ever made an issue of that.

    The only Pedophile mentioned on these threads is G Studds who had sex with a 17 yr old.
     
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    Again Edmund was NOT A PAGE, when the IM's were exchanged. It's not clear he was even in DC he may have been at IC Berkley at the time theiM's were exchanged.

    As to older people not having sexual relationships with young adults I agree. Foley resigned. Do you think Clinton should have resigned also? How do you draw that line.
     
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    Clinton should have resigned, Studds should have resigned, Frank should have resigned they all should have.. we expect a certain standard of excellence from our elected officials, and they all violated this standard and our trust. This is not a partisan issue, it is a standard that we expect of our elected officials.
     

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