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  1. patsfan13

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    Well this comes as no surprise...


    So the socialist thugs look to control political speech.


    Rep. Waxman Wants to Apply Censorship Doctrine to Internet | NewsBusters.org


    This on the heels of the WH play to run the census. We can only imagine the screaming from libtards if the pubbies sought to regulate political speech and tried to get Karl Rove to run the US census.
     
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    They're just getting warmed up, free speech will be controled by the Left Wing Liberal Socialists, censorship will soon be upon us, this was one of the first things Hitler did.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    And the Liberals used to say that Bush was scary.
     
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    It is frightening, I agree. Its just the first step. Once this Liberal government gets more power they'll just lust for more and more and more. The government will control more and more, and silently take away or manipulate the rights laid forth by our founding fathers.

    Hope we don't get too far though.
     
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    Patters will be coming to the defense of Waxman soon enough. There is no good defense for this, though, the internet doesn't use limited public resources like radio stations do. Four weeks of Liberals and this country is becoming a scary place; I'm not sure the country will vote them out any time soon either although that's how it looked in reverse back in '94.
     
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    Pray that somehow the people come to their senses and put the Liberals in check in the 2010 elections. I am stunned at how people are being so willing to follow a big government and give them more power.

    Agreed...already a month in the liberals are wasting no time in pushing their rather troubling agenda.
     
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    Continue to dwell upon the "Fairness Doctrine".. this will never change, there are fringes who will try to do it.. but in reality, the challenge is for them to make inroads into this market..

    If there was an effort to even begin any process that would address the FD, it would cause great distraction and even less would get done.
     
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    Don't kid yourself. There is money in the stimulus to upgrade rural internet access, for example. I doubt that's the first public money that's gone to such project.

    Oh, and let's bear in mind that any wireless computer is using public airwaves.

    Yeah, you're comfortable with secret trials, indefinite detention without trial, suspension of habeus corpus, spying on any and all Americans by tapping their phones and monitoring their electronic habits. But liberals are scaring you!

    Boo!

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    Pathetic defending limiting political speech.
     
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    The Republicans are freakng and it's entertaining.

    For years, Republicans have manipulated the census, so pf13's point is either ignorant or dishonest with regard to that. The claim that Democrats were trying to seize control of the census is based on the fact that if the unstable Republican Senator Judd Gregg had become Sec'y of Commerce, control of the census would have been moved to another dept. Obviously, no Democrat would give a Republican that kind of control. At any rate, now I presume the census will stay with Commerce. If pf13 starts a thread about the politicization of the census, I'll gladly participate.

    For years, Republicans have given greater and greater voice to large media monopolies and conservative churches, but now the tables are turned and Republicans are whining. The Fairness Doctrine can help ensure that media represents multiple points of view, something the Republicans are strongly against. It means that the liberal media would be compelled to present conservative views and the conservative media would be compelled to present liberal views. Obviously, the right-wing worry about the Fairness Doctrine is their admission that without fairness, right-wing views are better served.
     
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    Evidently, this effort has to do with punishing entities which are limiting the speech. It looks like you even subconsciously lifted their language.

    Again: I find it interesting that the rabid right suddenly "gets religion" on spending just when spending is not only necessary, but at the hands of a Democratic president.

    Similarly, the rabid right are all now Constitutional scholars -- yes, the same savants who think habeus corpus is a city in Texas, who think torture and spying on citizens is the American way, who think Jefferson and Madison wanted a theocracy, suddenly start to cry and whine and moan about "free speech" when not one proposal has been floated that prevents speech by anybody.

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    Republicans manipulated the census? Really? Please site your sources. And if Obama was going to have a problem with Senator Gregg in charge of the Commerce Dept specifically in regards to the census, then he shouldn't have offered him the position.


    Spoken like a true socialist. In the name of "fairness", :lol2:, yea right!
     
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    Ah yes good old saul alinsky politics...The census has been run from the Commerce dept since the beginning why the underhanded power play to run it from the White House...


    Media monopolies? What the NYT, the WA Post, The LA Times, The Chi Tribune, CNN,CBS,NBC, MSNBC, ABC, the Boston Globe? What the hell are you talking about?

    So you want the gov ruling on what can be said in churches? A fairness doctrine for freedom of religion? WOW.



    Can you provide examples where pubbies used to government to restrict the free speech of critics in the media or on the Internet?






    If you are compelled to present a POV then it is no longer free speech or freedom of the press. Back in the days when there were 1 or 2 national radi networks you maybe could have had a point with the diversification of meida outlet the is a attempt by the left to quash free speech that doesn't agree with them.

    Where is the 'fairness' doctrine for newspapers and the televised media?

    BTW who get to play GOD and determine what is conservative liberal libertarian and so on who gets to decide what the % should be?


    Why should Waxyman get to determine what is fair?

    ALinshy and Stalin are loving this administration and the anti free speech thugs of the left...
     
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    Which entities are limiting speech? I am aware of no such entities..? Are you speaking of MSNBC? What are you refering to?


    That isn't a topic of this thread why the attempted hijack of the thread?
    For the record many on the 'right' here and among conservatives have ripped the pubbies for their spending. But that is for another thread.


    We do look to history and see that Habeus Corpus was not extended to enemy combatants during previous wars.

    Many Jews didn't believe that Hitler would really do what he said he would do in Mein Kampf, I never understood how they could be so stupid, I am beginning to understand it now....:(
     
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    Waxman isn't a fringe dem he is the head of a committee. BO has said he thought it (FD) was a good idea. Is he a 'fringe' guy also..
     
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    And the census will still be run by Congress now that an unstable Republican backed out.

    You left out Fox, and most of the media companies are owned by the likes of Turner, Time, and Viacon. Look it up.

    No, I favor the separation of church and state.

    Primarily by allowing media monopolies to ever expand their power, which results in smaller voices not being heard.

    Well, I guess you really don't believe in the liberal media, since you're not interested in trying to allow more points of view to be expressed, rather than just a corporate point of view.

    Newspapers seem to be quite fair, but certainly I would support the fairness doctrine for all tv news, since the news is very biased to the corporate point of view.

    The right lost the election, so it can't make the rules now. I hope Waxman is fair.

    As much as Hitler and Mussolini loved the Bush administration and their policies on torture, on lying to the public, and on reckless military adventurism.
     
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    The provision we are discussing is described in the story as allowing for complaints of infringements on freedom of speech. The provision is not itself described as limiting speech.

    It is immaterial what complaint I personally would or would not lodge. What is relevant is what the provision allows for, i.e., a process to determine if a station is limiting said speech.

    You may lodge a complaint against your favorite hated station, sure. The point of putting a doctrine into law is to allow said complaints regardless of whether it is against a station on the right or the left.

    I beg to differ. The use of the word "Commisars" in the thread title begs the question of precisely who the "Commisars" are. Barring an obscure reference to a Falco song, there is no such title in the present American political landscape. This leaves the old Soviet title. I see no analog to this title or its functions in this current proposal; I do see an analog in the behavior of the previous administration.

    The main concern of the "Commisar" was to align all party and state organs with the ideology of the Party. There is no better description of the behavior of our last administration in its politicization of the civil service, especially but not limited to the Dept. of Justice. The other abuses of rights listed relate to the trampling of rights in the service of such a party ideology, as was practiced in our last republican regime.

    There was never a category of "enemy combatants" before. They were called, and treated as, "prisoners of war," which afforded them alternative protections subject to treaty. Treaty, by the way, has the force of US law when the US is a signatory. Using a synonymous term and claiming the law no longer exists because the words are different isn't world-class jurisprudence.

    Whoa I take it all back now that you said "Hitler." Hold on, no I don't. Your guy is the Hitler guy and my guy is Superman.

    Jeez, can't you do better than that?


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    PS, I know during the campaign, a lot of people got very excited about Saul Alinsky as some kind of boogeyman.

    Everybody who actually read Alinsky, who was pretty much concerned with organizing tactics, knows how silly that was.

    Now it's "Alinsky and Stalin"????

    I'm pretty sure you guys don't know how silly this looks. But it is funny.

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    This country is in some serious trouble.
     
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