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    Ivy League education now includes a class on Occupy Wall Street, a class that earns college credits too!

    New Class At Columbia Focuses On Occupy Wall Street « CBS New York

    Well worth drowning in student loans for:rocker:
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    I'm asking myself whether I'd react similarly if there had been a tea-party class in poli sci at Liberty University or somewhere, back when the tea party was a significant grass-roots presence.

    Hmmm.

    I don't know how I'd answer on that one -- after all, they showed up for 3 hours, melted away, then showed up again in 3 months, by and large. The OWS guys appear to be a long-haul movement, with plenty of "field work" to be done.

    Do you know the % of people at OWS who also had tea party sympathies? I don't. Since there are similarities in some of their rhetoric, but since they are on opposite ends of the political spectrum, it makes me wonder.

    Do you wonder what % of OWS comes from each income band? It seems like it's pertinent, and it seems (politically) like a weakness. From the shots on TV, it looks like middle-class people.

    My impression is that it skews toward the young (20 somethings.) What's the prevalence of age groups?

    How many would be for/against a number of issue stances -- since we know that they're an amorphous group, with one central message (against the enormous income inequality in the U.S.)

    I think you could put together a really useful college course in this movement, both for the student and for the professor's academic publishing purposes. Send them out to get polling results, "anecdotal" interviews, etc. Get a portrait of this group. Watch it change over time.

    If you see college as a place where you learn to sell widgets, nah it's a waste of college loan money. If it's a place where you do research and learn about researching (in this context,) then I think you can make a really good case for such a class.

    PFnV
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    What would there be to research here?

    Wait...on second thought maybe they could finally find out what the OWS crowd wants! :D

    I could see the point if they were researching political movements on both sides of the aisle but "participating" in OWS for credit seems like a partisan move to me.
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    I never understood why the people who were protesting the size of their loans didn't occupy colleges and universities...you know, where the price of tuition is actually set. Occupy Columbia!
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    Once you guys get admitted to Columbia, you're free to choose not to participate ;)

    Here's the course description:

    http://bwog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Appel-OWS-Syllabus.pdf

    Pretty interesting. They specify that they will only meet in spaces sanctioned by the authorities, will not engage in direct action, etc. The emphasis is on research. I'm not sure exactly how or where you're likely to get a better front-row seat to political movements today.
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    The OWS movment is a lost ship in a fog with no captiain.
    Christmas just passed, if you have a OWS member in your family I
    hope they got a GPS device.
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    It is obvious here that some do not understand the value of a varied approach to education.. the way it is structured, can be invaluable.

    Having had varied educational experiences, they all provide a framework on how I look at the world.. one is not greater than the other.

    This class is an elective and based on the theory that labs can take place on the street, not just in the classroom...
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    Why do you say that, except to draw attention to yourself????
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    No. its bullsh!t, what the hell would a parent who is helping their child go through college want to shell out money for their child to waste their time studying about a bunch of f-cked up glory seeking smelly bastard morons who sleep in little tents with their silly little signs and toy drums, have sex, piss in the park and have bowel movements on the side of a Police Car, why would a parent give their hard earned money to a god damn communist nut house like that thinking that this son of a b!tching so called place of learning will prepare their child to go out into the world and make a success out of life.

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    Where did you go to college, Harry?
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    I drove a cab in Harvard Square when I was 19.....They learned a lot from me.

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    Your issue seems to be the familiar right wing mantra, is that education can only take place in the classroom with government approved books.. political correctness at its finest.

    Why would you care what they teach at Columbia University, do you care about what they teach at Liberty U???

    I also drove a cab when I worked my way through college, used to make a living off of drunk sailors..
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    No university should try to pass down ideals, values or morals that are decidedly left or right. To do either one is wrong.

    My alma matar took a definate FAR left perspective on economics. As a matter of fact, the University of Massachusetts in Amherst has a Marxist economics department...and that is wrong.
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    Joke "class", easy A, just regurgitate what the prof wants to hear....
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    Why exactly is it wrong? Was it like 30 professors who each teach an entire catalog of Marxian classes, in which you can earn a Marxian economics degree?

    Even if so, isn't the truth-seeking value of academia bound to produce oddities at the edges -- like Liberty University's religion-based "science" classes?

    Were a competing school of politics to pertain over much of the world based on the writings of Ricardo, or Adam Smith, or Keynes, or any of the bigger names in economics, would you say the same thing?

    Marx's value theory of labor -- in the West -- is pretty much considered insufficient. But then, so is Adam Smith's view of the markets as rationally driven (ditto the "Austrian School," so admired by righties trying to justify their hopelessly purist adherence to free markets.) Truth is, we know that "Labor is value" is no more or less powerful a lens than "All actors are rational in all their actions." Neither is true in a vacuum; both contribute to the mainstream of present understanding.

    This is bizarre -- insisting that whole areas of study be walled off because you disagree ideologically with what's being taught. Sort of reminds me of the Nazi attitude that certain movements in science or the arts were "Jewish science" or "Jewish art," to be morally opposed based on their provenance or supposed provenance.

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    Are we sure we want to wall off areas of research based on these notions of repugnance?

    @Harry - thanks for the folksy response and all. I personally am of the opinion that you are a persona generated as somebody's research project in one way or another, and so are actually the product of just such an undertaking.

    But on the off chance you're just "you," I'm thinking you probably reacted with amusement or maybe irritation, when some dumb kid who'd been in town six months started giving you "better" directions that ended up costing him an extra three bucks. That's the position you're in here.

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    I don't know what's worse. The fact that this university is actually going to charge students for a "credited" class based on the occupy movement, or the fact that some people in this forum are so partisan and blinded, that they're trying to defend it.

    Kudos to whomever it was that mentioned the tuition and protesting these schools. While I certainly empathize with the protesters fundamentally, and will always support an individuals right to protest, I think the movement had is somewhat wrong. Their political, and ideological, blindness had them ignore much of what has put them in the position they dislike so much. Those people should have been protesting government, and these universities, more so than Wall Street. Government for passing the policies, providing the cheap subsidy money, and piling up a tab that is passed on to the consumer taxpayer. The universities for charging massive tuition fees, getting in bed with those supplying students cheap money, and ripping off localities by gobbling up valuable real state that they use tax free.
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    Yeah RW, everybody's ideology-driven and blind except you!

    Put it this way: were Columbia charging kids -- as they undoubtedly do -- to look at bacteria in a petri dish, would you declaim the moral failings of the bacteria? Would you look for microorganisms that were more to your taste, perhaps a different species of bacteria?

    They're studying socio-political movements. I think this is a unique learning opportunity. It doesn't matter that you hate the OWS guys, or even that you think the professor admires said movement. You can't study the movement -- or the phenomenon of such movements -- without studying it.

    Not studying it results in ignorance.

    Do you prefer to be ignorant?

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    Please don't try to put words in my mouth. You're not smart enough to do that. ;)

    No where did I say "everybody" is ideologically driven.

    Yeah, micro biology and the OWS protesters. :rolleyes:

    No where did I ever say that I hate the OWS protesters. I've actually supported their general cause, and have really only criticized their blame being directed solely at Wall Street. In that regard, they've missed a good deal of the point, or problem if you will. They should also be protesting the very universities they attended, as well as the governments that gives away their money, send their jobs overseas, and increase their cost of living in the process.
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    LOL... you don't know what you're talking about, and sound like just another corporate slave. Keep patting your own back, keep pretending OWS doesn't have goals.

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    Just anybody who disagrees with the premise that it's a horrible horrible thing to do research on the OWS site -- "blinded" is the actual word, of course, so if you did not mean "by ideology," I do apologize.

    Let's step back. Exactly what's so horrible about an anthro class studying a social movement as a form of research?
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    Apalled that folks get into a frenzy over what is essentially an elective course in a major university, pretty soon it will rank right up there with the "War on Christmas" or be considered some type of attack on our society's moral fiber.

    If I was in a University, and this fit my time slot and needed an elective this would certainly be a consideration.. just like if they had a similar course on the Tea Party that fit my schedule and needed an elective this would also be a consideration. I find this stuff terrifically exciting..

    My preference in all of my graduate and undergraduate work was always dynamic things that were reflective of the current situation of the world.
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    I will never understand why some people get bent out of shape by courses offered from a private University. Liberty University has a School of Religion and they offer a B.S. in Religion. Has anyone complained about that?
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    Why would they ... there is a ton of BS in religion.

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