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    Could be the solution to our pass rushing problems. As a specialist, he's pretty damn good.
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    Why are they cutting him? We always seem to think that there's gold in everyone else's rubbish. It's like believing you can get a $500 suit at Ocean State Job Lot just because they show them in the Sunday newspaper insert. No one's giving away good players because of cap problems. Just ask Vulgar on 98.5 -the cap is crap. Along with his radio show, coincidentally...
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    Turns out that he isn't as good as a stand up 3-4 OLB as he is as a DE with his hand in the dirt.
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    The other part of that equation, we think we can trade our rubbish for high draft choices.
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    This could be like Andre Carter 2.0 except this guy is better than Carter ever was. Had a decent year 2 years ago, down year in 3-4 almost exact same age and situation as Carter went through in WAS
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    Gimme, gimme.

    Resign Wes, Talib, Volmer, sign Freeney and one other cheaper option at DB and I would be thrilled with the offseason. Its a lot but I think it might be doable with some restructures.

    Some other minor moves Edelman and some others too and everything else can be rounded out via the draft and jags.
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    I agree with others sentiments, Andre Carter 2.0. He's a bad 3-4 OLB just like Carter was, but is a probowl DE in the 4-3. He will be fresh too, not having to start like Carter. Start Jones and rotate Ninko, Freeney, and Armstead in at the other DE side and in nascar packages.
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    He is nothing like the Andre Carter situation.

    He would be the Andre Carter situation if we wanted to bring Andre Carter back in 2018.

    He's done and has always been overrated because he spins five yards out to get a shot at the QB while the running back just blitzkreig up through his gap that he completely ignores. People like sacks and think splash sacks make up for complete ineptitude 90% of the game where he does nothing and is a liability against the run.

    He is Ninkovich except older, more expensive, has a narrower role value and a million times worse against the run, as impossible as that may seem.

    No.

    No.

    No.

    A million times, no.
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    Case closed guys! Let's go get Julius Peppers for a 7th!
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    I don't think that.
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    Freeney would not be a good fit, at all, in NE. He's not a starter in NE system (more below). As a backup he'd be way too high priced.

    As for comparisons to Andre Carter? Not even close. Carter was physically stout enough to be serviceable as a DE when it came time to hold his ground against the run. And, yes, that was a job requirement for Carter within a Belichick D. Freeney?? He "plays the run on the way to the QB." A Belichick defense, even in a 4-3, does not operate that way. People automatically assume that Carter was just a pass rusher. He really wasn't. The guy was a complete DE. People like to mention that Carter sucked in a 3-4, as if that means he wasn't physical. That's misleading. He sucked in the 3-4 because Orakpo was now being used as the primary rusher; while everyone else - like Carter - had to muck it out and two-gap in order to support Orakpo. However, once he went back to NE, Carter went back to being the primary rusher. He was great. But that's also why you hardly ever saw Mark Anderson and Andre Carter out on the field, at the same time. Only one guy could be in the 7-technique. But that guy still needs to be able to play the run and hold ground. Carter could. Freeney can't.

    Freeney is more like a comparison to Mark Anderson. Anderson looked good when he only got a dozen snaps per game, all against the pass. But once he had to became a starter (cause of Carter's injury)? His weaknesses stood out. If you want to understand the importance of maintaining a gap; watch Anderson against the run. The guy would try to fly by his man, all speed, and there would be a giant hole if it was a run. How many times did you see Anderson bolt off the line, only for it to be a handoff, and the RB getting a free lane? Freeney would be the same way.

    Carter? That guy could rush while still maintaining his gap. That's what the Patriot's need (and have).
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    Sorry, was not implying that you thought that. It seems every week there are posts here offering one of our JAGS for a good draft pick.
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    That isn't even remotely close to anything I said. Sorry, Freeney is completely shot and even in his prime I wouldn't want him on the Patriots. He used his famed spin move and sometimes it'd work, sometimes it'd even get him a sack, but most of the time all he did was look like an idiot doing ballerina moves fifteen yards out, completely taking himself out of the play as the QB sat in the pocket and picked the defense apart or even more likely, the RB ran right through his gap for a 5+ yard gain on first down.

    It's just that in the 75-90% of the plays where he did nothing but give up a massive run gain or did nothing to rush the passer, CBS/ESPN/FOX obviously wouldn't play that. What they do play is the highlight reel sacks and ignore the other 60 snaps a game where he was a massive liability and did nothing.
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    There is probably no pass rusher in our generation that influenced pass defense more than Freeney. Between double teaming and accounting for him, QBs getting rid of the ball more quickly because he got close and the actual sacks and hits, to say Freeney affected only the plays he had sacks on is ignorant.

    It is equally ignorant to say the Freeney playing in a system that told him to rush the passer on every snap, and then find the ball carrier if it happens to be a run, makes teams running past him while he is in a pass rush move his fault.
    I severely doubt his run D skills but to criticize him for spinning out of the play when he was coached to do so is silly.
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    I know. It's like the nitwit that called talk radio last year and suggested that the Red Sox offer Aviles, Matzuzaka, Jenks, Nava, Kalish, 2 guys who sell pretzels and Merloni for Felix Hernandez. Sounds fair to me...
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    I'd take him if the price is right. He's the kind of player who makes the players around him better. He taught the whole colts line his spin move and it helped quite a few players. Mathis probably isn't half the player he is if he didn't play with Freeney. Would be great to steal him from Polian too.
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    Here are my comments on the Charles Woodson thread. They apply to Freeney too:

    I don't know. I'm tired of the Pats picking up other teams' aging stars and trying to squeeze a few more good years out of them, often with mixed results (which look like this - older guy comes in, looks good in camp, looks like he's going to be great, oops, injury, just can't get back to form, after teasing us for a while). Is it too much to ask that they go into the draft and get a stud that can start young and healthy here and be here for years to come? It's been a while since Rodney Harrison joined the team.
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    I think it is better to do all of the above. Signing a veteran supplements what you can do with the draft, it doesn't replace it.
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    It's not easy to just draft a stud. They only have one 1st and one 2nd. Why would signing Freeney for cheap be a bad idea? 32 isn't that old. If getting a young stud was that easy why would anybody sign veteran free agents?
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    I'll be the first to say it....

    Can he rush the passer?







    .......anymore?
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    Send that bad boy this way. Put his hand on the turf in subpackages and rotate him in and out with Ninkovich.
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    He played 66% of the Colts' defensive snaps last season despite missing two games. So in the games that he did play, he played roughly 75% of the defensive snaps. That's way too much. I think Freeney is a guy who could definitely benefit from the Mark Anderson "less is more" strategy. Let him play the 35% or so of the snaps on second and long, third and mid/long, and late game with a lead and don't make him play the run. At this point in his career, I'm sure Freeney would rather just worry about rushing the passer, and accepting a part-time role would also help him squeeze every last year out of the end of his career. Price is obviously a big deal with a guy who's playing somewhere around a third of the defensive snaps, but I think something like $3M could be fair for both sides as long as he doesn't have interest in signing with the Jags or Raiders for $10M a year.
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    I'd definitely take him at a discount for a limited pass rushing role.
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    Give him 30 plays a game rushing the passer and live with it if the other team decides to try a draw on 2nd and 8.

    If he's willing to play subpackages, bring him in.

    Why was he cut? His huge contract. Why are his numbers down? He's getting a bit older and Indy changed its system to 3-4.

    He's still good.

    Oh, and he turned 33.
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    This doesn't even make sense internally.

    You're saying Ninkovich is just a pass rushing specialist who ignores his other responsibilities.
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    I doubt he's affordable, but if he is he would be a boost to our current defense until the young guys gain some seasoning.

    I really doubt he's worth($$) the limited role he'd get here though.
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    Well he might well get more $ than we are willing to pay, or should be, because its not about 'signing the beast' its about how much more is he worth than the other alternatives.
    But I disagree with you on the value of his role.

    He would be our most disruptive pass rusher, and hopefully Jones will develop to the level where he contends for that honor, which only make both more valuable.
    We play over 60% sub. Freeney would, IMO, play something like 30-35 snaps a game. First off, having him on the field on first down, may influence teams to run more on 1st down, which is in our favor. We have enough stout run defenders in the front 7 to absorb his weakness.

    But lets just limit it to 2nd and long, 3rd down, 2 minutes D, and playing from ahead when the other team must throw.
    Those are, far and away, the situations that our defense has been worst in.
    Those get him 30 snaps a game anyway.
    The guy who can be a disruptive pass rusher in those situations is definitely more important than many players that play full time. I would put a guy who can EXCEL in that role in the top 15, and more likely top 10 most valuable pieces on the team.
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