Collective PatsFans Wisdom on how to attack Jets defense?

[Rex Ryan's Gut]

Don't run the ball. Throw to Welker. A lot.

Moss/Revis should be interesting. I don't even know what to expect there to be honest. I'd give the edge to Revis though.

Rex has already said that Revis will shadow Moss this week. I'd almost rather throw Revis on Welker and double Moss with Cromartie/Lowery.

 

[NordicVoyager]

My crazy dream last night had the 3 TE's as well as Welker and Edelman on the field at the same time. All three of the TE's were in the bunch formation that Welker scored from on the left last week, Then Welker and Edelman are effectively stacked on the right.

Assuming that the Patriots line can pass block for a reasonable period, the question then is how the heck does the Jets defense position itself to defend the play (and its many potential options)?

 

[Deus Irae]

1.) Use Gronkowski and Crumpler to punish the linebackers with run blocking early.

2.) Send running backs into the flats for screen passes where the TEs and tackles can punish the outside defenders, and use bubble screens for that purpose, as well.

3.) Spread the defense out using 4 wide with Brady in the shotgun so that Brady can pick that defense apart when it blitzes.

4.) Rinse, repeat until Revis creeps up, and then go deep to Moss to put the game away.

 

[mgteich]

1) You think that Sanchez and jets are going to score 23 points?

2) As other have said, there are two looks. Find Revis. Throw to one of the threats on the other side of the field.

I am wondering what the collective wisdom of the PatsFans community is about how best the Patriots offense should attack the Jets defense this weekend. If "we" were the Patriots Offensive Coordinator, what would be our game plan be to rack up at least 24 points (that I think will be needed to ensure a Pats win)? Thoughts?

 

[patchick]

OK, let me see if I have this down...

Shotgun, Faulk out into the flat, Moss taking Revis up field

stay the hell out of the shotgun and spread formation. Stay under center and give the Jets defense something to think about.

Spread them out - The Jets require a lot of blitzing to pressure the QB. By spreading the offense out, it will take more defenders away from the line and rushing the passer.

play a 3 TE set and have Gronk and Crump stay in to block.

No, no, no staying in to block, no pro set, and no max protect. They will always send in one more blitzer than you can block.

I come out in a standard 3 wide, 1 TE (Gronk or Crumpler), 1 RB (Faulk or Taylor).

Like someone said...... Spread Offense

OK, there's your PatsFans consensus!

 

[Patspsycho]

I disagree with the shotgun. I would prefer him under center and use play action right from the get go. Short snap count. Give them something to think about right from the start.

IMO, and as per your thread title, it's only a fan's opinion, I would even open up with a no huddle offense and let Brady actually call some of the plays from what he sees happening....

In either case, the key, offensively,is on those damned 3rd and short situations (2-3 yards) stay the hell out of the shotgun and spread formation. Stay under center and give the Jets defense something to think about.

If they are going to go into that damned spread offense, from the shotgun, on 3rd and short, then they are playing right into the Jets hands and giving their defense control of the play instead of our offense controlling it.

Cant play conservative...that's what kept the Jets close to the Ravens.

Snap count does not matter. Shotgun does not matter, and I would actually either prefer that or the 3 step, but absolutely no 5 or 7 step. We do want the spread to force more man to man matchups than Ryan is willing to give up because he likes the box as big as possible.

 

[D-Money]

All i know is i hope the playcalling wont be dull!!!!!!!!I would like to see more slants being called.I would go no huddle as well.I think we should stick to the run even if we cant run it effectively.I hope we are not in the shot-gun everytime.

 

[Deus Irae]

All i know is i hope the playcalling wont be dull!!!!!!!!I would like to see more slants being called.I would go no huddle as well.I think we should stick to the run even if we cant run it effectively.I hope we are not in the shot-gun everytime.

Did you watch the second Jets/Patriots game last year?

 

[patchick]

\that is exactly why we have these message boards..if we all agreed on everything then there would be no need to have them, and no one would bother.
...
l sports, even coaches have different opinions on what to do in certain situations. Thats why there isnt just one coach on all teams, in all sports.

Yep, this has actually been an informative thread. It's also a good illustration of fans are so ready to blame teams' offensive failings on the playcaller. No matter what approach the Pats take on offense this week, if (heaven forbid) it goes badly, a significant segment of fans will be able to truthfully say "I told them they shouldn't do that!"

 

[NordicVoyager]

PatChick, now you have highlighted why I started this thread... It already is much more informative (and instructive) than threads devoted to X Pats player or Y Jets participant. We as a group are pretty good.

What is our collective wisdom (beforehand) about how to put the Jets away at 0-2? (of course, it will be very interesting to see what game plan BB and the coaching staff actually employ!!)















OK, there's your PatsFans consensus! [/QUOTE]

 

[TriplecHamp]

They only have 1 good CB, so that's where you'd start. And if you're going to run, doing it in Jason Taylor's direction isn't a bad idea.

Jason Taylor was excellent against the run on Monday

 

[TriplecHamp]

IMO, throw early and often. Screen them to death and attack the deep middle.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Jason Taylor was excellent against the run on Monday

He set the edge well a couple of times (the announcers even called him out for it), but he's a 36 years old pass rush specialist. The idea is to simply punish the Jets for having him on the field and wear him down. Have to keep him off balance, since the only reason we'd be running would be to complement the pass anyways.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I honestly think we're going to be fine Sunday against their defense. Might not light them up but if our offense is clicking I don't think there is a defense out there that can shut us down. That is of course barring a Oline collapse like in sb42.

Last year week 2 we had one game to use in preparation for Ryan's defense, plus Welker was out and Brady was rusty. This year we're ready for them and have more weapons on offense than possibly ever. O'brien is also a different playcaller, I think last year he could have called Fred Taylor's number a little bit more because he was having success against that defense.

I don't think we'll blow them out but I'm not expecting a very close game either. Sanchez is awful

 

[Patstopia]

I would run every fIrst down until the 4th quarter and then finally pass but make it a really crappy play call and have the QB over throw it anyway.

Oh wait. The Ravens tried that already... N/M

I like screens and quick outs, there will be blitzing over center a lot, so TB wont have room to step up. Jets defense is very fast, so the majority of plays will be short to mid range. But you have to throw to Moss deep just to keep Revis honest.

 

[the wrothbroughterer]

Alge Crumpler is going to be huge in this game. Mike Martz uses his TEs as extra lineman along the LOS and that strategy should be employed in my opinion. That role will be crucial in the lines ability to neutralize blitz pressure which isn't a matter of if it's coming, just where its coming from.

Bubble screens are going to be huge. That play where Crumpler and Gronk line up with Welker in Trips for a bubble screen comes to mind. With all the pressure they bring, these may be big gainers.

Clearout plays to Welker where half the receivers streak down field and Welker is left 1 on 1 with a LB underneath will in my estimation be the bread and butter of the offense for this game. Using those type of plays to help open up the run will keep them honest.

Inside the 20s it's going to come down to gamesmanship, playcalling, and execution against their defense because the spread just won't be effective with a short field ahead of them. They have to be able to run the ball down here or it could be just a lot FGs.

I'm confident we can beat them, mostly because their offense was awful and Mark Sanchez is really going to have a hard time reading our secondary with all the speed we have back there.

Prediction: Tate brings another TD back. I think Sexy Rexy is too proud to keep the ball away from him and he makes him pay.

 

[IllegalContact]

Short passing game.......the jets can't cover TE's......force Leonard to cover gronk

Run the ball out of the shotgun

Go 5 wide with 2 TE's in the set and put 'em in motion on certain plays, blocking for a Brady roll-out.

Make the jets DL chase because they have no depth......then it will be easier to run in the 2nd half.

 

[maxhagen]

I am wondering what the collective wisdom of the PatsFans community is about how best the Patriots offense should attack the Jets defense this weekend. If "we" were the Patriots Offensive Coordinator, what would be our game plan be to rack up at least 24 points (that I think will be needed to ensure a Pats win)? Thoughts?

Rexy Wrecks, is that you?

 

[AzPatsFan]

Jason Taylor was excellent against the run on Monday

When the few times that you do plan on running, don't run slow developing, strung out, running plays. It doesn't work when directed at a run-blitzing,collapsing Defense, like the Jets are constantly doing.

The oblivious Ravens coaching insisted on repeatedly running these slow developing running plays. Use quick hitting runs where you can overwhelm the defenders at the point of attack.

If the truth be known, the Jets don't have tremendously talented individual players. If ever truer proverbial words were spoken and apply, "The strength of the Wolf is in the Pack".

 

[jays52]

If I were taxed with beating Ryan's scheme, I would first get to the essence of what he does. It's not just blitzing, nor is it Revis Island. He knows what his system forces, and accordingly keys off of inside technique with his interior corners, frequently goes full zero with the rolled up safeties, and basically just defends the spread intermediate passing game. His assumption is that there won't be enough time to set up the deep ball especially with Revis on the flanker. So, the colloquial anti blitz answer of spread em out and play the numbers game is playing directly into his hand (see NE vs NYJ 2009 game 1).

I would go beyond those things and boil Ryan down to three concepts to generate an effective initial gameplan. Rex does two things schematically; he disguises the mike and overloads the blockers. This attacks the premise of most traditional blocking schemes that revolve around reading the Mike and blocking a zone, placing paramount concern on the interior blitzing defender. He's also a hot head and I believe easily flustered. Here's how I would attack him.

1) Screw the Mike, key off of the safety. Ryan's safeties frequently occupy the areas vacated by penetrating backers. He is the giveaway for where your overload is coming from.

2) Perminent blocking backs. Running back has interior overload, Gronk lined up at the H has exterior responsibility.

3) Run outside routes with the x and z. Hernandez lives in the seam. With the blocks being made, Ryan becomes extremely vulnerable in the seams.

4) Welker on perminent hot duty, motioned towards any overload. Crack outside backer, settle into vacated hook 2 curl zone, gain yards in zone cleared out by Hernandez running off the safety.

5) Attack vulnerable flanks with Gibbs style run plays. Power and Counter Trey derivatives featuring playside guard pulling to eat flack, Gronk cracking down on outside backer. Potential overload sets with Vollmer at tackle next to Light.

6) F play action. Too long to develop.

7) Force Ryan to adjust while pissed off at being outwitted. He always plays to the extreme. Make him settle into his version of gap control and four man rush. Exploit secondary with 9's and posts to Moss off of bunch sets that pick Revis to negate his hand technique. Give Moss the chance to get some strides off.

8) Throw it away to Ines Sainz.