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    http://coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2260_A_CHFF_epic:_all-time_franchise_rankings.html

    VERY interesting article and what a tough job to do but I think the folks over at CHFF did a great job in breaking down all 32 teams in overall Franchise Rankings although how you can measure up the Houston Texans who are the 'baby' of the league with the Packers or Bears is a bit unrealistic.

    I think the Patriots ranking of #12 seems about right as the team was below Pathetic for a good part of the late 80s/early 90s decade before Parcells/Belichick/Kraft came along.

    How would YOU rank the Patriots as overall franchise history of the 32 teams right now? - I think 12 is a good spot

    (I did not see this elsewhere posted,If I did then please merge 'em)
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    First of all, thanks a lot for posting this. It's way too much to absorb on a workday morning, but I'm gonna study it over the weekend. I scrolled down to the top teams, and it's pretty hard to argue with the top of the list.

    Quick thought: the Pats ranking just shows what a few years of good management can do. unfortunately it can't undo a couple of decades of incompetence.

    Second Quick Thought: It would be interesting to see how CHFF would have ranked teams in (a) the SB Era and (b) the Post Cap/FA Era.

    I'll throw out a couple of other ideas after I study the article.

    Thanks again!
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    12th is a good spot for the Pats, they've played in 6 Superbowls, have 3 wins. That's legit as a Franchise.

    Packers of coarse are #1 since the Trophy is named after their legendary coach. I don't really disagree with much on the list, except maybe the Raiders get a little too high of a ranking. Broncos could bump up a little as well, 6 Superbowl appearances is pretty legit by them. 2 - 4 if I remember correctly. I don't think the Giants would be as high if they didn't just win their 3rd and of coarse, do it against who they did, one of the best teams to ever finish a regular season.

    I'd also put the Bills above the Seahawks. For all their flaws, they did make it to 4 in a row and have quite a few hall of fame players because of their run in the 90s.
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    Agree with everything in that artical. We only have been a real dominate team since 2001.
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    Small issues with Cleveland and Oakland being rated so highly. Since 1986, the Raiders mostly lose, and many times have been amongst the doormats. That's 22 years, or nearly half their existance. Cleveland hasn't won sqadoosh in 40 plus years, and has a .355 Playoff Winning %. #6 and #9 respectively? I don't see it.

    Pats have had some clunker teams, but had some talented teams in the mid 70's, were in the Super Bowl in 1986, and again in 1996, and have dominated this current decade, playing in 4 Super Bowls, and winning 3 of them. I put them at #10, with the Raiders and Cleveland sliding behind them.
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    I tend to agree with the Browns getting too much love. To have never even played in a Superbowl and be ranked so high as a franchise defies logic. I'm guessing they relied heavily on the Pre Superbowl Franchise records, but then I need to question the 49ers being ranked so high. Sure they have 5 titles, but they were crap for a long time prior and have been crap for a long time since.
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    The biggest snub that stood out to me was the Bills.

    26 really???

    There is a lot of history with that team, going back to Kemp and OJ moving up to the Kelly days and even Flutie. The greatest playoff comeback. 4 straight SB.


    side note: If I were Ray Lewis I would be pissed.....they couldn't find another picture other than one for his mug shot
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    I am not sure this is right. While it may be are most cherished Patriot moment was it not better when we held the trophey for the third time in 4 years being only the second team to do that.
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    I have to go with CHFF on this one. No one gave the Pats a chance in that game. We were favorites for the third Superbowl. However, if we get number 4 next year that one will be very sweet after the last year we had to go through.
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    What team has been to the most Super Bowls in the last 22 years??
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    Dude, you're right, they used his freakin' mug shot. What's THAT all about? I didn't even notice the #26 rating for the Bills. That makes ZERO sense with the 4 Super Bowl appearances.
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    Without looking, I know the Pats have been to 5 and the Broncos have been to 5 Superbowls in the past 22 years.
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    Humbug. This should have been done post AFL - NFL merger. I mean, a lot of the Packers' glory years were when the players wore leather helmets and, with the Browns when their QB wore #60 (I really liked Otto Graham).

    Edit, not to shoot the messenger...
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    Make it 23 years, and it's suddenly Pats - 6, Broncos - 5.
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    Yea, That's what I was looking for 1986-2007 - Six Superbowls.

    I Think only the Cowboys can rival that - and not in the same time period. We get a lot of grief for the lost years (1-15), as well we should, but when you start looking at the franchise history over the past two decades, it's hard to find a better looking franchise.
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    I've got nothing wrong with the 12 spot on up the chart. I read a lot of opinion about the Raiders and Browns being overrated, but both teams were quite dominate for significant periods of time.

    I had a bit of a problem with the Panthers and Jags getting so much respect after such a short period of time. I echo the complaints about the Bills not getting enough respect and being shoved behind the Seahawks. And the Vikings? Am I missing something with these teams?
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    Just for fun and out of curiosity, I went back to 1986 and picked 4 teams to look at, the Cowboys, The Pats, the Steelers and the Broncos. Each have made the Playoffs 12 times since 1986. The Pats won 3 superbowls, the Cowboys 3, the Broncos 2 and the Steelers 1. Pats played in 6, Cowboys 3, Broncos 5, Steelers 2.

    Regular season over the same time period. Pats went 192-159. Cowboys went 181-170. Steelers went 203-147-1, and the Broncos went 211-139.

    Interesting stuff. I would do the Colts, Packers, Rams, Bills, Giants, and Niners over the same time period but people in my office are watching me crunch NFL numbers and are muttering under their breath LOL!
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    Very interesting!! Nice Job, Dino 5.
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    I think the Raiders are ranked a bit high.
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    Re: Cold Hard Football Facts ranks Patriots overall history of the franchise at #12 r

    If this were a Super Bowl era thing, the Patriots should be way up there. Winning the whole enchilada is much more important than being competitive

    Super Bowl victories make up for all the losses, IMO. They erase them.

    I'd much rather be a historical .450 team with 3 rings than a .650 team with 1.
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