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Closed door deal carves up Arctic... get out the drills..

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  1. DarrylS

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    Looks like the Arctic has been carved up and drilling will commence, still not sure how they will do this task.. ice is a *****..

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/may/28/fossilfuels.arctic

     
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    The irony that this is now accessible as a direct result of global warming would be funny, if not so chilling...

    What a species we've become. .... Greed is still considered one of the deadly sins, yes?
     
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    Why is wanting to heat your house and get to work greedy...
     
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    #24 Jersey

    It's particularly ironic that it comes from Mr. Peak Oil.

    We're running out of oil. As of now we have no good alternative. Life as we know it shuts down without oil.

    1+1+1 = 3.
     
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    --Oh My God--
     
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    I can't say I am totally sold on the global warming argument 100%...... That said:

    Believe it or not, I'm kinda siding with the planet on this one. I'd prefer to spend capital on finding alternate sources then continuing with just "digging for more" route. I can understand why those countries are doing it, but I just find it regrettable.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Well it's the easiest way and it helps us in the short-term........just like blindly lowering taxes and exploding a national debt.


    Why study? Why budget? Why invest? Party on!
     
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    Excellent! Let the future take care of itself! I want my prosperity NOW!

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    I could be sold on the "short term fix, while we work out the alternative solution" aspect, if I actually trusted that they would do it. I just don't believe they would.
     
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    Drill away please. Hope they find lots of black gold up there. It's such a difficult environment to work in, that it won't be cheap to harvest. Finding more doesn't mean it'll be cheap. It simply means it'll be available, and hopefully, make prices more reasonable.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    There's no downside unless you buy into MMGW. Let them drill and you can choose to drive less along with all the other MMGW believers.

    Polls show the vast majority think MMGW is a problem so it should be easily fixed but the believers.
     
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    Anything is better than dealing with those head hunters in the middle east.

    UFO's have a "nuclear pellet" the size of a jellybean that runs their space-ship for 5000 years, why can't the democrats come up with something like that.

    Does anybody know what Prince Barack Hussein Obama's plan is for "energy" what will his "big change" be-:confused:
     
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    We prayed to God for an answer and he responded by melting the ice caps enabaling us access to the oil fields. Who are we to question God. Better to just reap the benefits of His wisdom.
     
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    You appear to miss the point entirely...

    This desperate attempt to search in the newly accessible arctic only underscores the fact that Peak Oil is real.... And it's our gluttonous burning of fossil fuels that has made it possible up there in the first place.

    Anyhow, even in the best scenario, they may stave off oil peak by 10-12 years. It's still a band-aid over a deep gash. The money spent up there should go towards alternative fuels. The age of oil is over.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Peak oil may be real given our current oil sources. But peak oil given the untapped oil resources is absolutely not real.
     
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    I don't agree with you that finding this oil in the Arctic indicates Peak Oil is real, since it's been known about for a long time. Further, I don't agree that it may only stave off oil peak by 10-12 years.

    But I do agree money spent there would be better spent going toward alternative sources.

    However--if there is indeed collusion between oil men, as the article a few posts up mentions, then we really have no way of knowing what's real, and at that point would be better served to take energy back (as in alternate sources) anyway.

    Which they--and "the government" would fight tooth and nail, of course. I wonder if part of the fight might be a drastic lowering of the price just to keep people 'hooked'?
     
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    Untapped, yet several dozen miles underground... When you have to dig that deep, its not remotely cost effective, if at all possible.... That is the case for most of Bakken, and probably anything in the arctic....
     
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    That's the same things they said about Tar Sand oil in Canada. Too expensive to process. With oil at $130, the cost to profit ratio's expand a little bit. If it costs $60-80 a barrell to get the oil out of the Arctic, or the Bakken field, at current prices you'd still make a tidy profit.
     

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