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    Yeah, like the pencil necked geek knows anything about Brady. Geez, I can't wait for this game! But then of course, the season will be over! :(
     
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    I'm okay with the season being over as long as it ends with a big Patriots victory!
     
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    Why do Clayton and mediots keep ignoring what the Pats have done. Why don't they mention that the Pats have already played 8i games against 6 of the top 10 pass rushing teams and only allowed 13 sacks. Why doesn't he mention than in the first meeting, the Pats only allowed 2 sacks, but more importantly, only 3 QB hits and 4 hurries. Why don't they mention that once the Pats had figured out the Jet defense, they blew it their defense away

    The Jets won that game because they created 4 turnovers to the Pats 2. If they don't have a +2 margin on Sunday they won't win the game.
     
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    Well, that and being too lazy to actually dissect the past games that they point to. It happens in all sports and towards all players. Manning has become elite because it's the template and reporters don't bother dissecting the games to see the "why?" of those 4th quarter and OT comebacks.

    2007 - Brady was badly hobbled, Neal was injured early, and Hochstein was hurt

    2009 - Brady was still rounding back into form and Welker was lost the week before

    2010 - Mental mistakes

    2011 - Brady does enough to win and the Patriots score more in regulation than the Giants even with overtime. Manning throws two horrible passes which are easy picks if the defenders don't collide with one another. Despite this, Manning is feted, Brady is said to have played poorly and Brady's record setting performance from the week before is completely forgotten.
     
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    WARNING: GROSS ALERT!! Tom E. Curran's anecdote about Clayton tells you all anyone needs to know. Curran related a couple of years ago that he actually saw Clayton pick his nose and eat the fruits of his labor in the press box. So, the question becomes: How vulnerable is John Clayton to calcified nasal waste? Game, set, match...
     
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    boy, giants players sure talk a lot of $%^# for a 9-7 team.


    clayton's always been an unpatriotic a-hole.
     
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    The thing that gets me about these media portrayals is that the Patriots are cast as wussies.

    Brady is a wimp. The offensive line can't take getting punched in the mouth. The defense is a pushover.

    If anything, I look at the Patriots as exactly the opposite. I see physical deficiencies in terms of strength and speed (everyone excepting Gronk and Hernandez).

    Brady is not the most imposing specimen for a QB, BJGE is not the fastest or biggest, Welker and Branch are shrimp-ly, our Dline is rotund and very un-JPP like, our LBs are unheralded other than Mayo, while our DBs are just a lost cause.

    So how do they win: mental toughness. This is one of the hardest--no, I'll say, THE HARDEST, NFL team to beat. They are beatable, yes. Because there are more talented teams out there. But boy, if you want to beat them, you better bring it, because they will not yield an inch to you. You better be on your game and be ready for a real scrap. This team is simply gritty. They ARE tough. They personify tough, at least to me. Maybe not tough in the sense of badass (and I know football is one badass sport) but tough in the sense of being diligent, doing their job, fighting, not giving up, having pride in the team and in one another.

    This is why I love this team. And I simply can't understand how in the world they've been cast as soft pushovers. Bizarre.

    I'd rather the media talk about how the Giants are going to dominate because of the speed problems they present. That seems like a viable argument, but don't tell us about Eli's toughness and the relative lack of it in Brady.
     
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    Great points. They are cast as "soft" because they are a pass-oriented team. Pass-oriented teams are usually considered "finesse" because their OL tend to spend more time backpedaling in pass protection than firing forward and road grading people in the running game. And because they don't have a great, dominating defense, they're seen as getting the job done with smoke and mirrors rather than with speed, power, and athleticism.
     
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    Never understood how Clayton became such an "expert" on the NFL...

    There is hope for many of us..
     
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    I literally stopped reading at the "Lions exposed him in the pre-season bit".... idiot, who the hell takes the pre-season seriously?
     
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    I don't understand this attack on Brady's credentials all of the sudden. It's almost as if the guy is supposed to win the SB every year while everybody else gets a pass. Christ even Montana had a worse string of games than Brady has had during his recent losses.

    Brady - constant change in personnel,different offensive philosophies,a patchwork D and the guy just made his 5th SB in 10 full seasons. Time to shut the **** up.
     
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    I see it's "take a giant **** on Tom Brady's head" week. Cool. It will be very nice seeing these douchebags begrudgingly calling him the greatest to ever play once we beat the Giants.
     
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    My brain tells me this game is a very difficult matchup for the Pats offense, and that if they want to win, it will be a grind - and it will come on the last possession.

    But my instincts tell me - as we get closer to the game - there's a chance this offense goes off and lights them up. We know Brady hears the talk, and we know he takes it personal, and always has. Increased motivation does not always lead to increased focus, but I can see it happening here and leading to a rather productive game for #12.
     
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    I think that's a question for Giselle or his therapist.
     
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    I love this paragraph from Clayton:

    What was Brady's stats against the Eagles? Brady completed 70.6% of his passes for 361 yards, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 1 sack, and a 10.6 yards per attempt (tied for the most per attempt yardage for the season).

    What the mediots seem to not realize is that the Pats have seemed to figure out how to counter the "blueprint" to stop Brady.
     
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    When a story line is set for the week, those same themes are beat into the ground. Statistical analysis involves finding the facts that support your opinion and doing your best to dismiss or ignore those that don't. Its routine at this point. Set talking points are as follows:

    - Giants have unstoppable DL.
    - Giants have unstoppable WRs.
    - Patriots have unstoppable TEs, but one is injured
    - Patriots have good OL but not as good as Giant DL.
    - Eli is tough.
    - Brady is easily rattled.
    - Patriots had an easy schedule
    - Giants had injuries but are healthy now.

    These are the main themes and everything seems to be a subset of these. Very little "analysis" goes beyond these talking points. All other players may be touched upon in passing or as feel good stories but are rarely made a focal point by mainstream media.
     
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    I just don't understand how the Giants defense is so vaunted. How they are going to get so much pressure on Brady. From all the "pundits", you would think they were playing the mid 80's Giants defense. I feel like Lawrence Taylor, in his prime, is going to be suiting up.

    The Giants defense has only registered 48 sacks, the Pats defense has registetred 40 (that's 1/2 sack/game less), the Giants are ranked 27th in yards allowed, and they give up 25 points a game, compared to the Pats 21 points/game.

    Am I missing something? Are these teams not basically even?
     
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    See talking points #1 and #8 above. Analysis done.
     
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