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I guess that the Pats will report his signing later.
Fantastic News... Let Training Camp Begin.
Good news all of the rookies are in camp.. Bill cannot say, "I can only comment on the players in camp."
Fear not. He will find another way to dodge any question he doesn't want to answer.
Did Ingram sign?????
Great news contract are on line to be sign.
Hopefully he and Floyd will have a meeting of the minds (read, the Pats will just give him his bonus).
The circle is now complete....
Q: How is (Player's name) doing in camp so far- do you like what you see?
BB: all of our players are learning the system, getting better, day by day. They're all trying hard, but there's a long way to go until the first preseason game and the first regular season game... September, 10, 11th... whenever it is.
Gawd, all the rookies are signed! What are the lazy sots in the press pool going to write about? They might have to actually watch practices. Oh, the horror.
Hmm, time to fall back on Plan B: write about the personal background and college history of the rookies. Lots of rookies; that should provide some nice filler and not force them to watch that practices.
Wrong! Jake Ingram and Tyrone McKenzie are not signed. I can
still complain how the Patriots want Ingram to take a portion of his
bonus in 2010 (he won't be here) and will short change McKenzie
because he was unlucky enough to get injured in mini-camp.
I doesn't make sense to pay a rookie long snapper a signing bonus. The guy is here for camp competition and is, best we know, a 50/50 proposition to make the roster. If you're going to pay two signing bonuses for one long snapper you might as well overpay for Lonnie Paxton.
i like all 3 of the top safeties we have but im confused as to y we drafted chung so high..bc all 3--meriweather, chung, and sanders are basically paid as like starting players??
BB was running 3 safeties in Nickel/Dime packages last season before Rodney went down - then they used more CBs. Chung will be brought along at a pace similar to Meriweather's, he should be getting more reps after mid-season.
HOw does Tank Williams fit into this, is he more of a hybrid LB??? Anyways nice to see the depth at this position...
When the Patriots DRAFTED Ingram with the 198th pick, they knew
exactly how much salary and bonus money he would be due. Frankly,
they did the player an injustice drafting him if they did not want to
pay him the going rate. Why didn't they just wait and sign an undrafted
free agent long snapper? Because Ingram was the highest rated LS.
I though that there would be a problem the day they drafted Ingram.
Lonnie Paxton's 2008 salary was the veteran's minimum of $730,000 plus
a $150,000 signing bonus and a $4200 workout bonus. They knew Ingram
was due the minimum salary for four years plus a bonus of about $100,000.
What the Patriots are trying to do is screw the player and his agent by
deferring part of the signing bonus until 2010. As you mentioned above,
Ingram has a 50/50 chance of making the team and ever collecting all of
the bonus money he is due.
Just curious where you get the 100,000 bonus from?
Seems to me there wouldn't be much precedent for a Drafted long snappers contract.
The $100,000 is simply a guess. Bod Rudd drafted 197th last year
got around $85,000.
I'm sure there have been very few long snappers drafted unless they
played another position like Steve DeOssie.
No, the precedent is for the draft position (which based on neighboring contracts rates approximately $97,000 in signing bonus money - close enough to $100k for messageboard work). The player and his agent are doing what's best for the kid, if NE wants a true Training Camp competition for LS, then they need to sign him, if they are content to pinch a few pennies and cede the job to Hodel, then the kid is between a rock and a hard place. If NE doesn't really want to spend the full $97k, then offer the kid a two or three year contract, if they think he's truly competitive for the job, then don't be penny wise and dollar foolish.
I just dont see how a long snappers signing bonus should compare to position players drafted at a similar number.
I am also curious to know about kickers and punters drafted and how their bonuses are?? I am not sure which side I come down on with this..the kid wants his money..BUT..he seems to wish for it without earning it...so to speak.
If a longsnapper is less valuable to the team, then drafting him was indeed a wasted pick. Since he was drafted, and I presume the intent was to improve the camp competition and ultimately the overall team, he is of equivalent importance to any other player who might have been drafted then. Pay him and get him in camp.
You're correct that the Patriots could offer a shorter contract with less
bonus money. A three year contract with a $73,000 bonus would probably
be acceptable to the agent. The sticking point with Ingram is the demand by
the Patriots that part of the bonus money be deferred until 2010. Who
knows if Ingram will be on the team in 2010 to collect the money. The
only money late round draft choices are certain to receive from a team
is their bonus money which is paid up front.
"Without earning it Stan?" He's no different than Tom Brady in 2000, he was drafted because he worked hard enough and performed well enough in college to earn a team's interest. The rules of the hiring process negotiated by the NFLPA says you provide a little ernest money up front, that amount is currently $97k for a four year contract, you negotiate from that starting point. Let's not be unfair to a kid who has worked very hard and "earned" NE's interest.
It's going to take me a long time to stop putting a "Eugene" in front of "Chung" in my mind each time I see just his last name in a thread title.
That makes sense but it is still hard for me to agree that a long snapper deserves the same as a RB drafted there. Just because that was a hole we felt should be adresses doesnt change the value of the position its more indicative of a deep roster rather than a huge need.
If you don't feel that a long snapper is worth the value and cost of any particular pick, don't draft him at that spot.
Under the current system, all 256 draft picks get their bonus money
without showing they deserve it. The Patriots want to make Ingram
the lone exception by deferring part of his bonus until 2010.
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