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  1. BelichickFan

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    #24 Jersey

    Is Bush f*cking kidding ?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/21/w...int&adxnnlx=1169348311-jT9cu3vj1Ggj8V2sDsHlRg

    He wants to make taxes even more convoluted :

    And he wants to tax more things that he has no right to :

    It's all Robin Hood bullsh!t making those with real jobs pay for the health care for illegal immigrants and the like.

    NEWSFLASH - no-one has a birthright to health care and no-one has the right to force others to pay for the health care of others.

    F*ck you, government. I don't need to pay for people's retirement. Or their pills. Or their X-Rays.

    All this makes me want to do is whatever I (legally) can to get my taxable income down because these *******s keep coming after more and more.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    I agree completely.
    It's a payoff to the healthcare corporations like HMO's, providers, and insurance companies who will benefit from being paid by the government at higher rates (because they can) without fighting with insurance providers and individuals over billing.
    As Turd would say: More taxes=BAD
     
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    I just don't understand this thinking that anything we get is taxable. What's next, we get taxed for occupying a building for 40 hours a week while at work ? How about the Watercooler, surely we should be taxed for that water. Or for flushing the toilet . . . cha ching.

    Asssholes.
     
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    it's interesting the outrage over the mere thought of universal health care, yet righties will never bat an eyelash at the fact that this entire nation is swiftly being privatized in every conceivable way imaginable... heck, they even wanna privatize the Web....

    ummmm, who's cashing in?

    "build our walls and gates higher and higher, and keep those sick, ethnic poor people out or our neighborhoods and hospitals, by God!!"

    you Con men laughed and pointed that Democrats have "no platform and stand for nothing?" Well, they had one all along, and made no secret about it: Socialized medicine.... It's coming...
     
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    #24 Jersey

    So is a nuclear attack from the f*cking Muslims - just because something is coming doesn't mean it's a good thing.
     
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    Privatize the web? What does that mean?
     
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    Net Neutrality
     
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    Is Bush moving further and further away from the values of his base to pander to the big corporations, in this case the Hospital/Pharmaceutical folks?? I thought that the Republicans were against more gov't regulations and against more big gov't.. from what I see the overall DC influence has gotten seriously bloated since '01.
     
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    #75 Jersey

    Who you calling a con man? Is that a reference to Neo Cons, consrevatives, or liars? I am only a conservative, I guess, but not one of the others.

    My point about taxes is that I don't trust the government to do anything beyond their Constitutionally mandated duties. If the government could show mw they can handle something like universal health care, I'd be all for it. Instesd, my taxes are being used for a heinous demolition, rebuilding and occupation of Iraq, subsidies for profitable corporations and pork projects in other states and countries. When they stop wasting money everywhere else, I'd be happy to pay for my neighbor's healthcare through the government. As it is, I pay $1000 per month for coverage. You think I wouldn't want to get rid of that bill?

    I don't understand why churches and civic groups haven't been able to pool their money to buy healthcare for its less fortunate members. I also know that the healthcare corporations, drug companies and lawyers are perfectly happy with the system we have now and have no inclination to change it. You can count Congress in that group, too.
     
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    The US has the most expensive health care system in the world and yet a large percentage of Americans don't get the health care that they need. I think you'll find that it isn't the poor who benefit from that. Here's a clue. Have a look at which groups profit from your expensive insurance. Do you REALLY think it's the people on the projects? Go down to the projects and talk to them if you believe that. You have the largest gap between rich and poor in the developed world and 28 million people who don't know where their next meal is coming from. The next time you go downtown, look at those guys in their Ferraris, parked in the car parks of Pharmaceutical and Health Care providers. Are the poor responsible for that? Is it POSSIBLE that those companies are making excessive profits at your expense?
    I'll be honest and say that I am prepared to pay a little extra in taxes to make sure that no one dies because they couldn't afford treatment. Inevitably, some of those people won't deserve it because they have sponged off the state but plenty of people, at the bottom of the heap through no fault of their own, will get the healthcare they need because of the taxes I pay. I can live with that more than I can live with the idea that I pay less tax and people die.
    Here's a comparison of how much health care costs me. I pay 11% on most of what I earn for a state pension and health care. I also pay about £300 a month on general taxes, some of which probably finds its way into the health care pot. There is a hell of a lot wrong with our Health system. It is expensive, bureaucratic and inefficient. Where BF and I disagree fundamentally is that universal healthcare, which gives everyone a right to life regardless of income, is a good thing. Don't blame the poor for your expensive health insurance when many of them die under your system as it is, because of lack of medical care.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    If the government wants to have a charitable donation fund in which all donations are tax deductible (like churches), then people who want to contribute to the welfare and healthcare of the poor are welcome to. I would still be paying as it would lower the tax base for the government - much as I do to support churches too - something else I shouldn't be supporting but I am.

    Bottom line, no-one has the right to require me, or other tax payers, to pay for the health care of others. There's a small number of things that are constitutionally required of the government but retirement and health care for others are not in that list.
     
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    You'd be dumb enough to think that socialized medicaine is a good thing. Then again, you are a socialist so....

    There is nothing wrong with privatization when it's used properly. The numbers prove that government run programs are always far costlier than those which are privately run.

    Taxing benefits now. HA! Keep supporting Amnesty and the illegal invasion people. When the red ink illegals become citizens they'll all instantly qualify for social services, and as non-taxable income earners. Guess who picks up the slack? yup, Joe Taxpayer.
     
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    Ask the UN who feels it should have control over something it didn't create.
     
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    This is exactly why I could never support one party over the other. This is an attempt to do one of two things, either he is bending over for the corps you mention, or he is pandering to his socialist feelings. Remember people, GW is not a conservative republican on lots of issues. I'm curious to see where the Dems are on this one.
     
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    The poor get better care than I do. Anyone who makes under $13k in Mass. automatically get freecare from Mass Health. Anyone making under $27k gets 50% medical. Those totals go up if said earner has dependents. Illegals get care no questions asked. The system sucks for people who actually work and make money. Those are the ones who suffer. Furthermore, when these uninsured people get care, they are not required to pay if they can't afford to. Someone pays, just not the treated. what happens is those costs are passed on to the insured, and the government. When 10 people get treatment, and only 7 have insurance, the cost of the other 3 is divided into the 7. This, among many other things, is part of the problem with healthcare and its costs.
     
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    We're fast becoming a socialist country. Very sad.
     
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    i'm dumb and a socialist now, in your opinion? ... wow...

    i think the only slightly socialist-leaning thing i'm in favor of is balanced medical care for all registered Americans... as for being "dumb," you sure have taken a beating from a dumb guy in the Libby thread and elsewhere... but, whatever you need to keep telling yourself...
     
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    Privatizing the web has nothing to do with net neutrality. And the web is already private.
     
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    C'mon... eliminating net neutrality is a predominantly GOP based initiative that would allow major corporations to control bandwidth, advertising focus and access .... Even forums like this would struggle to accomodate its patrons on a daily basis if corporate america has its wish...
     
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    Now you're just throwing words out there. Sounds like both you and PressCoverage need some more background on the current internet governance issues, since between the two of you you're talking about three different things.
     

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