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    Chicago Teacher Should Not be on Strike...but They are

    Can't believe they were offered 16% raises over 4 years and they're striking anyway. Teachers shouldn't be allowed to strike, yet they do.

    "Late Sunday, Mr. Emanuel told reporters that school district officials had presented a strong offer to the union, including what some officials described as what would amount to a 16 percent raise for many teachers over four years — and that only two minor issues remained. “This is totally unnecessary, it’s avoidable and our kids do not deserve this,” Mr. Emanuel said, describing the decision as “a strike of choice.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/10/e...-in-chicago-teachers-will-strike.html?_r=1&hp
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    Re: Chicago Teacher Should Not be on Strike...but They are

    And I can't believe that you'd think you were qualified to make a decision about what Chicago teachers (including my daughter-in-law, BTW) should or should not be doing.

    Especially since the article you cite doesn't give word one about what the teachers are asking for or why - but only gives Rahm's version of the contract details.

    Did you ever stop to think that they were holding out - not over money - but over their class sizes and other things which concerned not only themselves but their student's education and well-being, as well?
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    Re: Chicago Teacher Should Not be on Strike...but They are

    When someone says its not about the money, its about the money.
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    Chicago teachers went on strike today. Apparently they rejected a 16% raise when doing so. Do you think in a situation like this, the city should have the right to fire the union, or walk away from the union, and hire their own teachers? The contract is up I think, so why does the city, or any entity that employs a union, be forced into agreeing to another contract when the previous deal has expired? Once a contract is up, shouldn't each party be free to go in their own direction? I've never quite understood why there's a forced obligation once a contract has expired.



    How Much Do Chicago Public School Teachers Make?

    June 12, 2012 3:59 PM


    Reporting Dana Kozlov

    Updated 06/12/12 – 7:24 p.m.

    CHICAGO (CBS) –

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    During a vote taken last week, 90 percent of the city’s public school teachers voted to authorize a walkout, if no contract compromise is reached.

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    A Chicago Public Schools spokesperson said average pay for teachers, without benefits, is $76,000.

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    By comparison, teachers in New York City earn an average of $73,751. That would be less than the average $76,000 average salary for Chicago teachers cited by CPS, but more than the $71,000 average cited by the union. Depending on which is accurate, Chicago would either be first or second in the nation in average teacher salary. However, Los Angeles teachers make $67,600. The number drops to about $54,000 in Dallas, and just over $52,000 in Miami.

    How Much Do Chicago Public School Teachers Make? « CBS Chicago
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    What are graduation rates and grades like in Chi-town versus other cities?
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    Re: Chicago Teacher Should Not be on Strike...but They are

    ** I'm merging my comments in a thread I started **


    Chicago teachers went on strike today. Apparently they rejected a 16% raise when doing so. Do you think in a situation like this, the city should have the right to fire the union, or walk away from the union, and hire their own teachers? The contract is up I think, so why does the city, or any entity that employs a union, be forced into agreeing to another contract when the previous deal has expired? Once a contract is up, shouldn't each party be free to go in their own direction? I've never quite understood why there's a forced obligation once a contract has expired.



    How Much Do Chicago Public School Teachers Make?

    June 12, 2012 3:59 PM


    Reporting Dana Kozlov

    Updated 06/12/12 – 7:24 p.m.

    CHICAGO (CBS) –

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    During a vote taken last week, 90 percent of the city’s public school teachers voted to authorize a walkout, if no contract compromise is reached.

    -------------------

    A Chicago Public Schools spokesperson said average pay for teachers, without benefits, is $76,000.

    ---------------

    By comparison, teachers in New York City earn an average of $73,751. That would be less than the average $76,000 average salary for Chicago teachers cited by CPS, but more than the $71,000 average cited by the union. Depending on which is accurate, Chicago would either be first or second in the nation in average teacher salary. However, Los Angeles teachers make $67,600. The number drops to about $54,000 in Dallas, and just over $52,000 in Miami.

    How Much Do Chicago Public School Teachers Make? « CBS Chicago
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    They should just tell the teachers that if they do not show up for work then they need to find somewhere else to work. If I feel my place of employment is not paying me I am worth, or the conditions are bad then I find another job.
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    Teachers and Doctors are our most important citizens.
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    I agree HD ... teachers, doctors, police and firefighters

    however ... unless Chicago income is up then there's no need for a raise.
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    As a long time union guy, and one who has never crossed a picket line and never will, I have a hard time with any public union strike in this day and age.

    Not sure what they hope to accomplish, and not sure how the City will get out of this..
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    I agree with you here Hamar.

    I do question teacher's unions for one simple reason.

    Teachers, as Icy and HD have previously pointed out, are some of our most important people in society. Unions protect the herd rather than trim the fat, if you will.

    People are paid for performance, or should be. Hiding behind your union, while you suck at your job shouldn't be possible.

    Pay for performance, and the cream always rises
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    Here's the part they forgot to tell you about:

    http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pdf/dst2011/2012456XC8.pdf

    I'm also unsure where this article got it's figures from - since they are not the same as the figures they cite as a source.
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    Basing a teacher's pay on a student's gpa is misguided. That strategy works when making widgets in city A versus city B, but does not translate geographically in schools. If you like standardized testing, then you can compare a teacher's performance in one area versus another.

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