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  1. Kid~Brady

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    Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Final 2010 Offensive Hog Index

    I know there has been questions on this before. According to Cold Hard Football Facts, Pats have the best offensive line in the league.
     
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    Shouldnt be a shocker around here.

    I think Light, Mankins, and Seabass are having awsome seasons and Koppen is having one of the better of his career and Connoly has made the absence of Neal seem nonexistant.

    Much props to the group and much props to Scarnechia on coaching em up.


    OH Yeah PS - Props to Gronk and Crump too.
     
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    I'm eating crow over Mankins now, and am happy about it. Sign the guy long-term. The difference he made on our offensive line not just in its play but its demeanor was noticeable.

    I also think Crump makes a big difference. I mean, Chris Johnson ran for 2000 yards last year w/ Crump playing a significant role for that team as a blocker. Without his presence, CJ only averages 4.3 yards a carry, and struggles against decent defenses.
     
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    Let's continue our #1 OL into the future

    Re-sign Mankins
    Extend Light
    Extend Koppen
     
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    I'm all for looking for new and improved statistics, but all three of these categories (yes, even rushing YPA) are improved by having someone like Tom Brady under center. There's still no stat that effectively rates O-Line's on their merit in a vacuum.
     
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    But I could swear a Jets fan claimed that their OL was more highly "touted". Surely touting must figure into these calculations somewhere.
     
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    I've said all along that Brady makes that OL look a lot better than they really are, at least in the passing game. His uncanny ability to glide around just enough, at just the right time often means the difference between a positive play and a sack.
     
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    Of course the OL is better because they have Brady under center. Do we say that Gronk isn't a top TE because Brady is passing to him? Is Welker not a top receiver, even though he has Brady throwing to him?
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    Yes, brady makes the rest of the team better, much better. But, it is what is t is. The OL is one of the most effective lines in the league, one of the best. That they would suck with Sanchez under center is total irrelevant.

     
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    Who's Grank?
    ;) Lol kidding
     
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    Not sure how INTS are blamed on the line...more accurate would be sacks/pass attempt. Also not sure how 3rdDown% plays into overall line play as it also depends on Offensive Coordinators
     
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    I think the Pats' OL is outstanding. But this is about as bogus an "index" as I've ever seen.
     
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    I know the ranking are tied to statistics and such. The line is good but....

    -Brady's quick release helps
    -Having the TEs stay back to pass/run block helps as Crump and Gronk will offer assistance to Sebass and Light on a situational basis.

    Overall, along with the TEs and Brady's ability to recognize defenses, change protections, routes, etc. The UNIT is outstanding.
     
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    the oline has been outstanding but it has had its share of moments. the first half in detriot and vs GB. not to mention the 2007 SB which was more or less the same crew.
     
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    As a unit, with all of our starters healthy, this is easily the best O-Line in the NFL. They've really improved as a run blocking unit this season as well. No surprise here.
     
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    The OL makes our offence a scuccess and keeps Brady healthy but we need imediate replacements drafted. Well look at this M. Light will be 33 in June and has no new contract in place, L. Mankins will be 29 in March with no contract, S. Neal will be 35 in Oct. is always hurt and wants to retire, D. Koppen will be 32 in Sept., N. Kazzur will be 32 in July. If we don't use our top picks to rebuild this OL before its collaps due to age we will be in for a long rebuilding phase no one seems to see comeing. We spent a few drafts rebuilding our defence and it is nearly complete but we havent done squat besides Vollmer to bring in some quality youth to rebuild the OL. We need to use our First pick to bring in the best OT available, and our Fourth pick to bring in the Best available C or OG. This plus the resigning of Mankins may give us a seamless thansition to a continued quality OL.
     
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    Says as much about Brady as the line, IMO. A good QB will make his offensive line look really, really good.
     
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    One of the overlooked things about O lines, IMHO, is system continuity. It's not just talent, but how well and how long that unit has played together. Find some really great offenses, like the Rams Turf teams or the KC with Holmes teams or the Vikings with Moss and Carter teams, you'll find O lines that were playing together for a while and had time to jell as a unit over a period of years with core mainstays as big cogs.

    I do think better line play is part of the reason why Law Firm and Woodhead are able to be such a good rushing attack for them.

    When the Giants won the Superbowl, that was a line that had played and jelled together for a while.

    It all starts in the trenches.

    It is one of the struggles of the Free Agency era, that FA has sapped lines from building and staying strong together over a period of years. Joe Montana was great for many reasons, I think one is that he knew he'd have Jesse Sapolu, Steve Wallace, Harris Barton, Randy Cross and Guy McIntyre and like playing together for a long time. Aikman could rest easy knowing he had Stepnoski, Larry Allen, Nate Newton, Mark Tuinei and Erik Williams playing together for a long time.

    Keeping the Patriots O line unit together, with their tenure together, is not altogether a negative thing, albeit it might mean they will get long in the tooth together en masse.
     
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    I could swear Colts fans claimed that their OL was awful and was something that even the great Manning couldn't overcome, yet they are 7th.
     
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    Sacks/PA are part of the Negative Pass Play percentage (NPP%) which is one of the three components in the OH Index.

     
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    By normal Colts standards, that is bad.

    Plus, the Colts offensive line is permitted by league rule to hold.
     
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