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  1. Bertil

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    Captain Comeback: Special Mistakes Set Up Super Rematch | Cold Hard Football Facts

    "The New England Patriots are the only defense in the league to never allow more than 27 points in any game this season (including playoffs).

    A few caveats: this is all about points allowed by the defense. Buffalo scored 34, but 7 were the result of a pick six thrown Brady. The Patriots allowed 27 twice on defense (Buffalo, Washington), which is their “minmax” this year."

    Who would've guessed? This is certainly a different perspective. Now in the playoffs, that number is in the 15 point range. Hardly a scientific sample, I know. Let's hope this trend continues.

    This site is always an interesting source of information, not found anywhere else. Then again, you can hardly expect the Pete Prisco's of the world to do anything remotely analytical. You get to hear what "Supercharged" Offense is playing "Light's Out" or who is "Taking his game to the Next Level". Yeah...uh, thanks there, Petey.
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    who knew that shooting for mediocrity could wind up being so rewarding.


    good stuff.....here's to vince wilfork ripping chris snee's head off
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    That's why I laugh when people say the Giants are putting up 35. Not that they can't do it there's just no basis for it this season especially since we already played them once and it took 2 pass interference calls, 4 turnovers, and key injuries in game for them to get to 24.
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    Note that Captain Comeback is a mouth-frothing Brady hater when he posts on KFFL (aka Still No Life).
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    Man, try saying THAT phrase 10 times in a row. That's a real tongue-tangler. :eek:
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    Agree with your assessment of CHFF, but must admit that there are times I do not understand them.
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    Let's not forget that 1. Nicks did not play 2. Cruz was not the star then that he has become 3. Bradshaw did not play 4. the Giants and Eli are playing much better now than they were around the middle of the season.
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    That guy is still there? I thought he disappeared in 2007 when Brady's historic season was crushing all of his stupid anti-Brady rhetoric. I left that board midway through the season as I couldn't stand the vitriol and garbage. I guess he returned.
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    Yeah? So are we. We turned the ball over 4 frigging times that game and didnt give up 30 points.

    Look the Giants are a great team, they can win this game and should probably be favored. But I'm getting really tired of them being treated like the 85 Bears and most of that stems from this fan bases perception that if the 07 team lost to them then there's no way this 11 team can beat them. Screw that. That team can be beat. This team which hasnt lost by double digits all season will not get steam rolled like I'm reading on some boards like SOSH. This fan base needs to sack the hell up.
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    This is the most amazing stat I heard last night on sportcentral and I think it bodes well for the Pats going forward and speaks to their resiliance.

    Playoff teams that give up 2+ turnovers and 50 yards more offense to the opposition. Are 2-110 That would be Green Bay and our Patriots the only team to pull that off.
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    I think we have to look at points per drive. I imagine that the Patriots offense gives the patriots a higher time of posession (and thus fewer opportunities for the other team's offense to score) as well as the fact that the other team is usually playing from behind, thus it limits their playbook some.
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    I think it will be a great game, but the Giants offense is more than capable of putting up 30 if we don't take advantage of Eli's hail marys. Of course, our offense is too, if we don't turn it over.
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    Agreed, but at the same time, Sergio Brown did play, and AHern hadn't fully recovered until early December. No doubt Nicks, Ballard, and Cruz will have their moments, but at that point in the season, our front seven wasn't anywhere near what it is now. The Pats have also played some solid front sevens the last two games, and aside from Suggs skinning Solder alive one time, the line has held firm.

    The issue with the Giants is that they were 9-7 for a reason. They could blow us out by 20 points or get blown out by 30 points depending on which team shows up.
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    Absolutely. His current screen name is Still_Swinging.

    He just posted that he predicted before the game that Pollard would injure Gronkowski, and now he wants to get Pollard's autograph.
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    A nice read, but I can't forget that last week CHFF predicted a Pats loss based on the oft repeated mantra that we hadn't beaten anyone with a winning record in the regular season and therefore would not beat Baltimore.
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    Huh?

    When the Giants won that game, it put them at 6-2. Their losing streak started right after that.

    It's amazing how a Hail Mary and a 15 yards crossing pattern against a keystone cops secondary grows the legend. The reality is for the vast majority of the year, Nicks has been a butter finger/alligator arm receiver.

    Ahh, yeah, Cruz was the "star" he is now.
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    Well, in the playoffs, not counting kneel-drives, the Broncos had 12 drives for 10 points, and the Ravens had 11 drives for 20 points. That's a total of 23 drives for 30 points, or about 1.30 points per drive (0.83 against the Broncos, and 1.81 against the Ravens).

    On the season as a whole, that stat's probably not too shabby, either, since the nature of the offense gives opposing offenses a lot of drives to respond.
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    Actually the long drives by the Patriots offense reduces the number of drives opposing offenses have to respond. I think the Patriots D faced the fourth fewest opposing drives.
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    Lets not forget that 1. the Pat lost BOTH their starting safeties DURING the game (the worst time). and was down to their 3rd C and 2nd RT. 2 actually you are wrong in your 3rd point, because Cruz's production was consistent throughout the year. Its not like he got better after this game. 3. you are also wrong in your 4th point. The Giants came into that game one a roll and it was AFTER this game that they took their dip.

    The Giants have a better running game with Bradshaw than without him. But think about this. He isn't nearly as good as Ray Rice who was controlled by the Pats, and if you wanted to pick a Giant player most likely to turn the ball over, even Giants fans would pick Ahmad Bradshaw.
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    Agreed, I have absolutely no gut feeling about how this game will go. The Giants are extremely talented but extremely inconsistent; the Patriots defense is just settling into a stable identity; the Patriots' weakness in the defensive backfield is a tough matchup with the Giants' strength at WR; the Giants' weakness in the interior OL is a tough matchup with the Patriots' strength up front....

    In short, anybody who feels confident about how this game will go must have one heck of a crystal ball.
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    Cruz had 590 yards in his first 8 games, and almost 1,000 in his last 8. So, despite your authoritative stance to the contrary, my statement was correct. On the fourth point, you're saying that something happened in the week of practice after the Pats game that sent them into a tailspin? More likely, the Giants were not playing well at the time, even in victory, and after the pats that poor play began to turn into losses. Clearly, the Giants have been a different team the last 5 weeks than they have been all season.

    My ultimate point was that that game was not really representative of what the Giants can offer on offense. The patriots defense is also obviously improved from that game, I'm not saying otherwise.
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    So the Giants were playing poorly on their way to a 6-2 record but now they are winning games with Hail Mary's, punt return fumbles, and horrendous opponent execution, getting turnovers without touching the opponent and dysfunctional opponents like the Jets and Cowboys but are playin great?

    Amaing what some can believe.
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    According to the numbers here they had the 6th fewest, but I believe the numbers showed that the long time consuming drives they yielded were just as much the cause, if not more, for that. This was the reason that they often lost the TOP battle. Over the course of the season they yielded 1.9pts/Dr, which was good for 21st.

    On to the original post. The consistency of the defense in points surrendered was pointed to before the POs by many posters here as a reason to have faith in the defense. So far they've done more than could be expected of them, and hopefully the offense will show up for the SB because I have little doubt that if they hang 30 on the Giants they'll win.
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    Not at all, but their opponents have not played their best game. Not GB, not the 49ers and certainly not Atlanta.

    The Giants played very good, but the quality of the execution of their opponents helped. Patriots win most of their games the same way, because the other teams execute poorly and makes more mistakes while they always execute their game plan.

    But in this case, especially when it came to GB and the 49ers these were teams that executed well all season and clearly executed poorly. The 49ers special teams and defense was what executed the worst. For GB it was Aaaron Rodgers. The two most solid foundations of each team.

    And it wasn't because the Giants figured out how to do something they didn't do all year, and nobody else could do to those teams all year. Both GB and 49ers have faced tougher defenses this season and GB could cut through anyone like a hot knife through butter.

    It doesn't take anything away from their wins. They didn't make the mistakes and their opponent did. That's part of football. But it doesn't make me worried that they have improved tremendously.

    It would have been a different story if they beat the 49ers and GB while those teams still played like they had all season. Then I'd be worried. As it stands, I feel much more confident in the Patriots after what I saw in the Ravens games, than what I saw from the Giants and the crazy amount of missed opportunities despite their opponents bad play. They played GB great. But the 49ers, Giants were just as bad as they were. They both executed like crap, and they didn't capitalize on the 49ers bad playing.

    That tells me, they were likely coming off a high prior to this win. It also doesn't bode well for them going into the Super Bowl. If either one of those teams played the Patriots that poorly, they would have gotten murdered.
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    Remember: the Giants punted 12 times vs. the 49ers. . . .
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    27 points... points? Who the hell cares about points?! Today's NFL is all about yards! And that's why this team will never make it to the superbowl with this D, and anyone who thinks they could is a blind, Kool aid chuggin' homer who can't handle the truth. Today's NFL has passed Belichick by. When it comes to the playoffs this season and for the next few, it's one and done, at best. Book it!





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    The Pats finished 27th in the league in TOP with 28:32.
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    I have no idea how the game will go I just have a great deal of confidence and belief in this team. Belichik has managed this season and this team beautifully all the way through and has them peaking at exactly the right time. The tournament has broken well for them throughout and they are in good health and as ready as they can be to face the Giants. I respect the Giants and Coughlin as a really good coach, especially in big games but so is Belichik and i just don't see the Giants beating them twice in a season. Belcihik and Brady are really good in rematches and Brady is always good after a bad performance so i expect him at his best for the Bowl.

    I have said it before but i really believe this is a bonus. They were a good but not great team this season and they are still building. They have put themselves in a position to win one on the way up and will be a better team next year than they were this, so they have an opportunity to grab an unexpected title, and that's pretty sweet. No matter what happens in a couple of weeks this season has been a blast and I have had a great time watching it. Enjoy the Bowl, this is as good as it gets imo.
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