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  1. cupofjoe1962

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    Illegal aliens should not be collecting state aid !

    Welfare money should go to food, not alcohol and tobacco.
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    You are aware that this is the federal standard, when Clinton was president he passed the Welfare Reform Act..

    highlights:

    Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    The laws are there; it's the will to enforce that is the issue.
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    Yes.... I am aware if the great job Clinton did on Welfare reform.

    I am also aware that if you do not ask someone to prove legal citizenship when they sign up for benefits,
    there is a good chance that the rules will be broken.

    Please explain, how Zeituni Onyango got housing and social program
    benefits while she was illegal.

    We know she has not been given political asylum, but how did she
    get the benefits while she was illegal????
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    Ask the people who did this, personally take a lot of responsibility for many things but do not lay claim to this..

    The problem here is that you are using anecdotal evidence to point to a larger issue, whether this is the exception or the rule do not know... you can assume all you want, but in reality need more evidence.
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    Darryls

    Do you really believe that Auntie Z is the only illegal receiving benefits in
    Massachusetts?

    If that is the case, why won't Deval reveal the real numbers?

    Gov. Deval Patrick is refusing to say how many illegal immigrants are receiving health insurance, ignoring Herald requests since early September. | Before It's News

    Why would they do this if Auntie Z is the only Illegal receving benefits.

    Bill to block immigrants’ benefits fails - The Boston Globe

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    No, but instead of using intelligent discourse, you resorted to the predictable anecdotal hysteria... the reality is that this should not be allowed.
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    Anecdotal hysteria or not...The Truth is..... Deval Patrick and the democrats do not want you to know how many illegals are receving benefits in Massachusetts and the democrats do not want to make changes to prevent them from receiving benefits.
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    You fell for that b.s.? What did Charlie Baker propose? How do you give those who are in legitimate need of welfare money for incidentals. A single guy who is mentally ill will get around $90/month to cover incidentals (shaving cream, razors, a haircut, clothes, etc.). Did Charlie Baker propose a specific way for the state to manage that so that people don't misuse the money, or did he simply take you for a ride by not offering a real solution? I know you find it hard to believe, but most of the people who get welfare are really very troubled.
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    I like the idea......

    It is far better than anything Deval Patrick is offering.

    Deval wants Illegals to receive in state tuition and he will not release
    the number of illegals receiving benefits.

    I am not out to cut off benefits to anyone who is legal and is
    qualifies for benefits. Although I do support workfare.

    Giving benefits to illegals, is rewarding bad behavior.
    They are breaking the law, so they should not be receiving benefits.
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    I think until the federal government finds a way to deal with illegals, states have to manage a legitimate problem. Do you reduce services and make the illegal community more dysfunctional, thus more in need of police and prisons, or do you try to make these communities more American? I think it's better to help the illegals especially given the reality the US is not going to force them to leave. I think helping them is in the interest of those of us who are citizens.
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    You don't reward bad behavior !
    If an illegal breaks the law and is arrested, they should be deported.
    Everyone who applies for benefits, should have to prove that they are
    here legally.

    We all know that the democrats just want to register the illegals to vote.
    That is why they should have to prove you are here legally before they can get a ballot on voting day.

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