Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by italia44, Apr 7, 2007.
Box-do you have anything on this guy?
C Johnson LB-GA....PFT has him going early 2nd round.
I didn't see him doing LB drills (curse NFL Network's poor coverage), but see how his measurables compare to a similar player whom I did see running smoothly in LB drills:
I see CJ squared as a 4-3 DE, but PFT can have their fantasies.
Box where do you get these reports bro? They're great!
- Johnson can play in a one or two gap scheme
- Shows very good strength at the point of attack
- Has the quickness to string plays outside
- Could use his hands better to ward off blocks
Pass Rush - A power pass rusher, and a good one.
- He's got a nice variety of pass rush moves
- Gets consistent penetration
- Holds his ground thanks for a good leg drive
Pursuit - Average when it comes to getting through the trash
- Has the speed to make plays outside
- High effort player with a good motor
Tackling - Wraps his man up and drags him down
- Not afraid to be physical
- Stays low on his man when going to tackle
Initial Quickness - Johnson has above average quickness off the snap
- Gets into his stance quickly and attacks
- Plays with very good short area quickness
Recognition - Average in terms of block recognition
- Seems to have very good instincts for the position
- Finds the ball and takes the best path to get there
Neutralize Block - Likes to use quickness to beat the 1 on 1
- He has the power to fight through the double
- Only average in terms of anchoring
- Plays low and stands up offensive lineman
Key & diagnose - Run/pass diagnoses skills are above average
- Shows the ability to adjust on the move
- Overall he's got a good feel for the game
Overall: Charles Johnson is a defensive force that must be accounted for every second he's on the field. The 270+ pound defensive end racked finished with 9.5 sacks on the season as well as ranking tenth in college football in terms of tackles for a loss. A smart player who understands the game, Johnson has the ability to come right onto an NFL team and make an impact from day one. He's decided to enter the draft early and currently ranks as one of the top three defensive ends in this class. He should be selected around the top fifteen.
NFLDraftScout.com $25/year. (Those were just highlights I grabbed, there is much more detail if you choose to subscribe.)
Does the subscription version at NFLDraftScout.com have a lot more info than the version they give to NFL.com?
Here's Jay Moore's profile at NFL.com (from nfldraftscout.com)
He's only started one year and that was at DE. Has a high motor and plays hard. Can get bounced around and has touble with double teams. Has a good upside.
Sounds to me as 4-3 De type who could be very good in that type of defense. Questionable if he can play OLB in a 3-4.
Roughly twice as much information, though most of it is breakdowns of his stats for each year he played and some open source articles collected in one spot. The NFL.com stuff is the core analysis they've done on the player. The nice thing they do is allow you to sort players by measurables, such as 3-cone speeds. You can see at a glance which DEs can turn the corner fastest. You can also go back and do a comparison between a current NFL player and the prospects you are looking at. They are in the process of getting their print reports scanned in and digitized so they can update their records back to the 80's. Right now you can look at Hobbs scouting report and compare it to similar CBs in this class. I don't remember if Asante's is there, I do know they had some measurables on him.
Thanks,Box.......Johnson practically feels like a relative,now!
Actually, based on his production I thought he warranted a glance. He is undersized for our DE needs- and I never saw him projected as a LB until this week. With his small frame does anyone know his arm length? I wondered if he was the type that might excell in College but get swallowed up in the Pros.
Arms: 32 7/8"
I liked Hobbs in '05, and really liked NE's selecting him. Some gave me a bunch of slack when I was calling for NE to start Ellis when Starks started to stink it up, but I didn't get so much slack when Ellis actually played better than Starks ever came close to (in a NE uniform). One guy over on ESPN still hates on Ellis, though.
Strange, people actually hating on Ellis, who'd have thunk it.
Kind of says Tampa-2 to me.
Those are good for a 6'2" player.
Oh what, you think he sucks? Started half the season as a rookie, and started most of this season with a cast on. I think the little guy's developing pretty well, and I think he did pretty good in the playoffs. I'm for sure not on the Ellis hate train, and I know BB isn't either. After the season Asante Samuel complained that BB put Ellis against the Bills top receiver (Lee Evens). Asante thought he should have been on Lee Evens instead. Thing is, Ellis shuts Lee Evens down. In the playoffs against the Chargers that's probably an INT of Hobbs hadn't been wearing a cast. He probably could've made at least two more INT's in the playoffs, if not for the cast. He's not a top CB, and not on any type of probowl level, but he's not a bad CB either, and I actually think he's starting to develop into a pretty good little CB. I think he's going to surprise some of you in '08. I just wish he could grow a few inches, lol!
What does David Harris' 30Â¾-inch arm length say, then?
Not a bash against Harris, but he's got some of the shortest arms out of all the potential ILB's, and a lot on here have him in their top two/three at 3-4 ILB.
That's definitely my #1 worry with Harris. Short arms can make life difficult for an ILB. I wish that kind of measurement was more readily available -- anybody know a site that reports arm length?
They have arm lengths for a lot of prospects at NFL.com
I did a list of LB arm lengths on here awhile ago.
You're preaching to the choir reverend!
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