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    This has probably been posted and discussed already but just in case others missed it I figured I'd throw it out there.

    There's a thread discussion who's going to be available from other team cuts to provide depth at WR. Generally speaking the best players are the last cut - and this year the NFL has pushed back the dates of mandatory cutdowns.

    The final cutdown date, when the majority of the best players will be cut is very late - September 2nd. So people expecting to get some quality guys into camp sooner rather than later might have to wait.

    I think we'll still be active in skimming the waiver wire - especially with the prediction that 600 players will be cut on September 2nd - but don't expect any of these guys to walk in and make an immediate impact.

    They will still be valuable for depth on the roster at many positions of need, and would likely be up to speed by October.

    Per Tom Curran:
     
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    Should be an interesting exercise to see who teams are targeting off the waiver wire. I wonder if there is an enterprising reporter out there who will give us a story on which players got the most waiver claims?
     
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    Re: Change in Roster Cutdown date means most players/best players won't be cut til 9/

    Curran - you're wrong.

    Doubly.

    1) There haven't been 3 cutdowns for years. Last year, it was 65, then 53.

    2) NFLE Exemptions now expire with the 75-man cutdown.


    It's explained better in this thread:

    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=39488

    And this article from ESPN:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2389062

    And thirdly, no, the last cut isn't late at all.

    Last year, it was September 3rd.

    In 2004, it was September 4th.
     
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    My feeling is that this whole dynamic makes player trades/swaps a worthwhile alternative to many teams who want to get a look at players in their systems earlier, and give them a bit longer to adjust if they work out.

    Just as interesting will be a situation in which the Patriots are making the bulk of their cuts - as many as 31 - on September 2nd.
     
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    I'm not sure I buy the trade alternative just for an earlier look in your system, that seems counterproductive. Cleveburgh and Zona traded for players who they badly needed - it was also interesting that an agent who has a history of working well with the Pats was involved and got two of his veterans into a position to earn a starting job elsewhere. The Shanle thread seems to indicate the same thing was working in that trade.

    Bringing in players for an extended test drive is still a waiver/FA function as I see it. It will be interesting to see who our Yo-Yo player will be between the 2nd and 10th if BB has someone he wants to see practice.
     
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    Re: Change in Roster Cutdown date means most players/best players won't be cut til 9/

    Tom is actually triply wrong.

    The Pats have 10 exemptons, not 9.

    Chad Jackson has a bonus exemption, which is better explained here:

    http://www.jaguars.com/Story/3745.asp

     
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    I believe that the final cut is always the weekend before the season starts. I believe that a couple of years ago, it was on Tuesday. The Saturday date gives everyone a full day to pick up players from other teams and set up their Practice Squads.

    As a practical matter, many veterans aren't picked until after Game One, so
    that their salary isn't guaranteed.
     
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    Re: Change in Roster Cutdown date means most players/best players won't be cut til 9/

    Curran is also incorrect in another aspect.

    The Pats, before the Gramatica cut (when that article was written, yesterday 8/22), had 86 players on their active roster, not 88.

    He was likely counting Branch and McGrew, who are both on reserve lists.
     
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    Re: Change in Roster Cutdown date means most players/best players won't be cut til 9/


    Aren't the Pats down to 85 players? They have cut John Condo, Gemara Williams, Todd Pederson, and now Gramatica as well as trading Gorin. Also, Mel Mitchell no longer counts since he was IRed with McGrew.

    Also, aren't Zuriel Smith and Earl Charles on some special NFLE Reserve list since they were injured there? Is Ray Ventrone on that list as well? Do they count against the roster?
     
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    Something didn't sound right to me too - thanks for confirming

    ... but I still wonder how Curran has us going from 84 to 53 (hypotheticaly) with 31 cuts all on September 2nd
     
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    Curran must have had a brain fart because the most any team will have to cut from the 1st cut down to the 2nd cut down is 22. The most any team has to cut from active roster to the 1st cut-down is 15. (Maximum roster size is 90 active). Granted, you can have MORE than 90 with players on the PUP and Reserve lists.

    In the mean time, the Pats will have to cut or IR 9 more players between now and the 1st cut-down. And it could be 10 or 11 if Branch or Pass join the team between now and then.
     
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    Re: Change in Roster Cutdown date means most players/best players won't be cut til 9/

    I have 9 NFLE exemptions
    Steitz
    Charles
    Henry
    Jackson
    Musinski
    Zuriel Smith
    Freeman
    Spann
    Ventrone

    When will Curran post a correction to the mistakes that he did make??
     
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    Re: Change in Roster Cutdown date means most players/best players won't be cut til 9/

    probably on Sept. 1

    it's tough to keep your dates / facts straight when you've got one foot out the door


    http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/archives/shots/curran_events.php
     
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    Re: Change in Roster Cutdown date means most players/best players won't be cut til 9/

    Miguel -
    Todd Pederson was also exempt. But he has since been cut.
     
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    Re: Change in Roster Cutdown date means most players/best players won't be cut til 9/

    You mean Todd Mortensen, right? ;)

    Todd Pederson is the former Falcons kicker.
     
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    Re: Change in Roster Cutdown date means most players/best players won't be cut til 9/

    That's correct now, I forgot that Mortensen got cut.

    But either way, the NFLE exemptions don't really matter anymore, now that they expire on Tuesday.
     
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    Re: Change in Roster Cutdown date means most players/best players won't be cut til 9/

    The active roster limit is actually 80, not 90.

    So the most a team without any IR or reserve/PUP (but NOT active/PUP) or NFLE exemptions have to cut on the first cutdown is 5.
     
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    Re: Change in Roster Cutdown date means most players/best players won't be cut til 9/

    Todd who????? Diud I miss an acquisition and cut??? I believe the 3 count against the roster now...Ventrone could be PUPed...the others?? I am sure some NFLE exempt list...
     
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    Re: Change in Roster Cutdown date means most players/best players won't be cut til 9/

    Right, but at the time of press for Curran's article, before the Gramatica release, they were at 86.

    McGrew actually wasn't IRed - he's on the reserve/left camp list. Branch is ont he reserve/did not report list. Mitchell and Shelton are on the IR.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2006/06/ventrone_banged.html

    So yes, they are on the NFLE/injured list, but they were already exempt up until Tuesday.

    Spann and Musinski were activated from it, but still exempt, a day after Reiss wrote that.

    However, I believe in order to gain exemption past this cutdown date, the guys on the exempt/NFLE injury list have to be placed on the reserve/NFLE injury list, which knocks them out for the season.

    Cedric James spent two years on that list before he was cut this past spring.
     
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    Re: Change in Roster Cutdown date means most players/best players won't be cut til 9/

    He means Todd Mortensen. ;)

    Those 3, plus the other NFLE players, don't count against the active limit until the cutdown this Tuesday.

    Ventrone can't be PUPed, even though he hasn't practiced yet. He needed to have started on the PUP.
     

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