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NFL.com news: Patriots OC O'Brien emerging as head-coaching candidate
I sure hope he stays in New England.
Haven't teams learned to stop picking off the Belichick tree yet? Whatever, as long as we got BB and Brady.
If some team offered him a HC job I wouldn't blame the guy. But I think he'd have to be nuts to take an OC position elsewhere that isn't New Orleans or Greenbay. Why'd you leave one of the best offensive teams to go to KC for the same position unless the money was significantly different.
Wouldn't blame him if he wanted to leave, but I sure hope he doesn't.
I'm well on the BoB band wagon. I think too many fans give to much credit to Brady, Welker, Gronk etc. when things go well and then immediately pin the blame on BoB wen things go sour without looking at the execution on the field.
One of the better OCs in the league for last two seasons.
I bet Penn State will be calling soon...
On that note,word out is that the Nittany Lions are going hard after our former beloved coach Eric Mangini
Dungy just turned them down
I can't imagine he will get any offers as a HC this soon, although he could get an interview or two. The KC gig as an OC with HCing aspirations is a possibility if Josh doesn't take it. Daboll will also likely be back on the market. I could also see Mangini there as a DC too, with both he and Josh auditioning for the HC job when RAC is done. RAC and Mangini remained friends post sypgate.
As for the Penn State interest, reportedly that's a long list of basically anyone who will take their phone calls.
Thanks for your good year so far, and thanks for your air-clearing nutty on T. Brady. Until proven otherwise, all Belichick coordinators does not a successful NFL coach make.
Its amazing that people love this guy.I thought the playcalling was bad agains t the dolphins.I never been a fan of his.He worries me in a big spot in the playoffs with the playcalling.
I don't see it happening. I think young Patriots O.C.s will have to wait longer, rightly or wrongly, because of how McDaniels' stint in Denver played out.
I'm not sure where you think there was an issue, since we could see that the problem was almost 100% related to o-line issues and miscommunications between Brady and the receivers. The playcalling was certainly fine when the Patriots were reeling off 27 unanswered points after getting those problems resolved.
B.O.B's agent working hard I see...
Hereabouts we call that the NEM syndrome. In his case it wasn't even about winning, it was about style points. Hated Charlie too. It exists in almost every fan base because it's easier to replace a coordinator with someone else's retread name they know like Norv or Shotsie, Jr. than it is to wholesale replace players...
I think OC's from here will always struggle in transition because there aren't many QB's like Brady capable of running this sytem.
What O.C wouldn't look good with Brady anyway?
Agreed, but he might be angling for a College HC job. Either way, I like Billy and hope he stays.
I don't believe coaches in this league beneath the HC level even have agents. Management has always frowned on that.
Oh Really? Did not know that. Thanks for the clarification.
I could not agree more.....I wouldn't be shedding alot of tears if some team is stupid enough to hire this guy. Look at McD.....guy destroyed Denver single handedly...and now is playing a big role in the implosion that has occurred in St. Louis. When are these GM's in the league going to realize that there is ONLY ONE BB....and just because a promoted ball boy gets to hold the clipboard and learn at the heels of Bill Belichick...the football genius factor is not going to be absorbed into their brains like osmosis!!!
I think BoB like McD before him has poor creativity and can not make adjustments on average at the half. I think Brady probably overrides alot of BoB's inadequate coaching and changes plays at LOS.....
As previously mentioned, the Dolphins game wasn't on O'Brien in the first half. how we got out of the cr*p we were in was well and truly on him however...with a bit of help from DS too (I hate trying to spell his name out and can never be bothered to learn ).
When you lose Light in pre game and Mankins just minutes in, your game plan goes out of the window. Solder can no longer be used in your heavy 3 TE packages we love so much either...then the Dolphins just blitzed the hell out of the line.
O'Brien countered it by spreading the formation out pretty well in the second half...kind of like with the defense in the Denver game, he effectively came up with a new game plan in about 10-20 minutes. Whatever DS did to mentor his O Line was genius too.
Players execute yes, but they can't execute unless their coaches put them in position to execute...the Steelers game was a class example (and just about the only one this year) where the coaches failed to adjust and put us in position to execute.
The bolded part is complete nonsense.
Along with the last paragraph..
These have been record breaking years, and to use words like "poor creativity" and "cannot make adjustments" makes no sense.
Brady overrides a lot of Offensive Calls based on how the Defense Lines up..
Yeah, it's not that I disagree with your point, it's just that the McDaniels stuff is moronic. The Broncos are winning largely because of the revamped O-line (McDaniels), the young and improving wide receivers (McDaniels), the QB (McDaniels) the return of Dumervil (back from missing the whole season due to injury), the play of Dawkins (McDaniels, and Dawkins' absence has clearly been felt in recent games), Miller (draft pick this year).
What happened in Denver was the McDaniels followed a legend (Shanahan), got rid of two players who didn't want to be there, and were complaining before McDaniels was ever hired (Cutler, Marshall), and went with a combination of draft picks and older players to get them through a transition. When the older players struggled and the young players took time to develop, the people who'd been griping about him since, basically, the beginning, got their wish. Denver's now winning, in some pretty good part, thanks to McDaniels' moves.
Did he make some bad draft picks? Sure. Did he sign some shot veterans? Sure. But he wasn't being charged with maintaining excellence. He was being charged with revamping the team and making it a contender again. That takes time. He never got that time.
As for the Rams, well, trying to install that offense during the lockout, having the QB injured, losing most of an already lousy WR corps, and having an O-line decimated might, just possibly, have something to do with the offensive struggles there. It's not as if he has a Dante to coach the O-line, scads of depth, and a Brady-like QB to help out.
Oh Dear God, the key to entire Patriots organization might leave! How will Belichick and Brady ever survive the loss of such genius?
The past two seasons I was on here pounding the table about how BoB was not good enough at his job, lacked creativity, couldn't adjust, ect...it's different this year. He is masterfully adjusting, and doing some really creative things to counter the defensive gameplans. It's very clear to me that a lot of the cited BoB issues were past ones. He has overcome those issues and is now a complete OC, and a damn good one at that.
I think that a lot of people also are apt to suggest that having Brady makes his life a lot easier. While to an extent, that is true, each OC under BB has had his unique system. Weiss was ahead of his time with horizontal passing complimenting interior running. He would mix in reverses, play action, and screen teams to death. If anything, the Weiss offense was, at it's core, a screen and misdirection offense that used traditional offensive concepts as constraint plays. McDaniels was a spread offense, and the first true NFL adaptation of the college offense. The fascinating thing was the element added by a motivated, still capable Moss. They were running spread plays but utilizing Moss as the primary on routes traditionally run to keep safeties away from the real primary. A nice story in the evolution of the spread. It was a truly unique offense and one I don't think we'll see a carbon copy of anytime soon. If they had a Steven Jackson type back that offense could have beaten any defense. The BoB offense is another completely different one. It is a motion based TE offense that leverages the versatility of the position. The offense that BoB has crafted is capable of running I-formation concepts, spread concepts, and bunch concepts. That is extremely rare. Essentially what this offense seeks to do is determine the design of the defense (genius considering the universal gameplan for the patriots is "show them something they've never seen") and then maneuver to an advantageous personnel matchup. Once they have that, boom no huddle and it's six points and a giant momentum swing. Almost like a boxing strategy, really. Studying O'Brien has been the most enjoyable part of this season for me.
All that going down on O'Brien aside, I don't think that he'll go anywhere. I think that the league is a bit hesitant to go after young Patriots coaches given the prior record. It's also a bit of wishful thinking on my part. Watching the steady talent drain this team has seen in the coaching staff has been painful. McDaniels and Mangini aside, they've also lost guys like Daboll (though Daboll basically shot his way out of town when McDaniels got the QB coach job over him) and Rob Ryan. I hope they can hold onto the two talented young risers this time for more than a few years. It's scary to think about what those championship coaching staffs look like. The NFL and Belichick coaches right now looks like the late 90's and Walsh coaches.
I have not been a fan of BO'B since he was named the defacto OC in 2008. But truth be told, he did a helluva job with getting the most out of Cassel and that offense.
Up until this year, I have felt that Brady did not trust BO'B entirely. And part of it may be that BO'B was handling Brady with kids gloves or something, I don't know. But prior to this year, it seemed that Brady was calling a lot more audibles at the line than he is doing this year. And the adjustments that BO'B and the offense are making this year seem to be done much quicker than in the past. My biggest qualm about BO'B is that he seems to stop using the running game too quickly. I know that BJGE and Woodhead have been hurt, but the Pats brought in 2 new toys to play with as well and having a running game helps by the O-line and Brady time in the passing game.
Is BO'B ready to be a HC? Probably not. And I think it would suck if he left because of the continuity factor. However, if BO'B did leave, I'd be on the phone to Brian Daboll asking him how quickly he could be in Foxborough to take over, unless that bridge is burned for a reason we don't know...
A large part of McDaniels getting hired by Denver was how well Cassel played in 2008.
We is plural, homie! Read War Room and up yo knowledge, son! Homeboy ain't coming back
Are you referring to the Chad Jackson incident where Daboll said he wouldn't coach Jackson?
No, sir, I absolutely am not referring to that.
(furious googling ensues....)
Meh. OCs have come and gone. Our offense has been consistently dominant. We'll be fine either way.
I don't think he's leaving. Though, if he does, we should hire an old chain smoking guru who will leave by a hearse.
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