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  1. Fogbuster

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    Some here have slammed the notion that what celebrities do or say have an effect on the general public. Going through any check-out counter in any large super market or Wallmart or any other such heavily trafficked place should be enough to disprove such a notion, but just to take it from the horse's mouth, so to speak, here is none other than our own AlGore on the topic of the role of people in the film-making and other arts to influence public opinion:


    Gore delivers SOS to open Tribeca Film Fest

    NEW YORK - The sixth annual Tribeca Film Festival opened Wednesday night at a gala hosted by former Vice President Al Gore as the festival expanded its social mission with a slate of global warming-themed films.

    The festival, which was founded after the Sept. 11 attacks to rejuvenate Lower Manhattan, opened with the premiere of nine short films produced by SOS (Save Our Selves), an organization to raise awareness on climate change.

    The night signified not only the opening of this year’s festival, but also the growing connection between filmmakers and the issue of global warming. Gore, who starred in the Oscar-winning documentary “An Inconvenient Truth,” said artists play an important role in the movement.

    “Art, music, film, dance, poetry — all the arts — have long been our greatest tools to explore the regions of imagination that defy our efforts to think rationally about subjects that our emotions tell us are too painful to contemplate,” he said.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18328819


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    What TF is this now Al Gore has any credibility?? What always gets me about this stuff is how situational it is, Al Gore gets bashed for just about everything, but all of a sudden has credibility in this forum. Get consistent..
     
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    Funny how they always say those things when one of their own, like alec or Rosie, gets exposed for the hypocritical scumbags they really are.
     
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    ... but then there is no end to the ridicule and barbs when it's someone perceived as "the enemy".

    Weird, ain't it.


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    This is for those who say AlGore has credibility. Most of us ALREADY know how influential celebs are. Unfortunately.

    For God's sake, even the Queen of England (and/or her nutty children) have made SIR Paul McCartney, SIR Bob Geldoff, SIR Elton John (maybe should be "LADY" Elton??), SIR Hannibal Lecter -- I mean, Anthony Hopkins (he's a great actor, but...). Maybe someday "SIR Marilyn Manson", or he's not British.


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    If celebrities have no credibility then why do they go around speaking and having all the world's cameras following them??

    Richard Gere does his Lothario routine in India, pissing off a whole bunch of people, and now the whole world knows about it. He wasn't even LOOKING for publicity and he got it.

    Celebs have the ear of the public. Too much. Unfortunately.


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    I think it's reflective of how superficial our culture has become. We have actors, singers and athletes running for political offices. Even politicians are trying to appeal to the rotten pop culture and adapting policy to suit the TV camera and network programming. It will never revert back to the way things were - more dignified, discreet, and professional. Like so much of our culture, certain sectors are melding together and will soon become indistinguishable from each other. Remember, there was a significant % of the population who thought Jed Barrett was actually the President.
     
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    Bingo, bingo, bingo, and BINGO again!! By Jove, I think you've got it.

    The mindless culture of hedonistic pleasure-seeking is showing itself to be the biggest wrong turn in America's history. It needs to be corrected and NOW. Every second another young person loses their innocence to the false notion that external beauty, money, fame, position, political power, or empty knowledge are most important.

    If we all could take a step over to the other side that awaits each one of us, we would see how utterly foolish and worthless all these external attributes are. Our spirit lives forever, while our body lives at best a hundred years or so. And what everybody's spirit needs more than anything -- in fact, it's the ONLY thing -- is love. Without love we are really dead. With love we live forever in joy, peace, and harmony with others and the world that awaits.

    We need to wake up to what's REALLY real. That's why I like films like "Ghost", "Flat-liners", and "What Dreams may Come". They take a look at the eternal world that is right there -- right HERE -- next to us, and within us. We need to think about these things more to get back to what's important. Don't put it off until the last minute! By then it's too late to do anything about it.


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    Isn't this where God steps in and has a flood?
     
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    Maybe global warming? Earthquakes? Perfect storms? Tsunamis? Tornadoes? Massive hurricanes? Floods? Droughts? Hm-m.


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    Manning and the Colts win the Super Bowl?
    Cats sleeping with dogs...total MAYHEM!:eek:

    Seriously, though. The fixation on youth and "beauty" by our culture is very dangerous to all of us as we grow older. It's a struggle to raise our kids to be respectful of thier parents and grandparents when they are constantly rediculed and marginalized by society. Fathers especially, but parents in general are constantly portrayed as bumbling fools and the elderly are automatically bound for the nursing home and out of touch. So much so that we're beginning to believe it is true as a culture. It's very disturbing and makes it difficult to teach you children the way it should be.
     
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    While there are some people who are influenced by celebrities, most, if they are influenced, are influenced by art. Even to atheists like me, the Bible is a great and profound work of fiction, teaching important lessons through its stories and characters. Similarly, great movies, plays, books, photos, and paintings have helped change our values when it comes to war, respect for others, and so on. As far as celebrities influencing people simply because they are celebrities, I think that's limited. I doubt it anyone says, I'm pro gun because Ted Nugent is pro-gun or I'm voting Democratic because I'm a fan of Barba Streisand. That said, when anyone well spoken (and most celebrities are) is on tv and makes a good argument that sets people thinking, that's another issue. Frankly, most celebrities rarely talk politics except to the already converted.
     
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    TV drives the culture so much now. It has for the past 40 years or so. From Elvis on Ed Sullivan (saw that the first time he was on) to Jerry Springer and American Idol.

    TV is driven by demographics, who is watching what. Then, the average incomes are factored; and then the projection of those incomes over the next 10 - 20 years. If we get a 21-year old out living on their own for the first time, maybe can get them to use Brand X tooth paste, beer, cereal, car, computer, cell phone, etc., etc. In other words, we have become mere "consumers", semi-sentient beings who get money to spend and then spend it.

    Competition for the almighty buck. Old people are set in their ways, so no use wasting precious sell time in expensive ads to hit them. Men -- married men, in particular -- leave most major purchase decisions to their wives, so men have become irrelevant.

    You want to be loved? Walk into a top tier casino and show some swag. The drinks are on the house and everybody loves ya, baby. (RIP, Telly Savales).

    Back-azzwards, as we used to say in high school a million years ago (but seems like last night).


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    Um-m-m, I don't know about that, P-man. Celebs do a lot of flogging these days. They are out pitching a lot of ideas. Of course, for the great majority, it is an act of love, with no financial rewards. (Then again, with homes in Malibu and Aspen, they really don't need the extra loot, which would only make them feel mercenary, too.)

    No, I think celebs are doing what they do for both their own personal involvement in public affairs, and also because they HAVE influenced the moral culture so much -- Elvis (again), the Beatles, the "British invasion", soul, pop, TV, TV, TV, movies, etc. Damm, there are white kids these days that are dressed like they came out of South Central LA or the South Bronx. Sweet Sweetback's Ba-a-a-a-d Azz Song. In the 'burbs, no less.


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