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Stop it. The Jags own website says they had trouble selling out 11 years ago. Why won't you just accept that as proof of whatever argument anyone chooses to make? Wow are you pig headed.

I'm sorry. I forgot the rules of the board. Everyone knows when Deus is on the losing side of an argument, he will throw red herrings to divert the argument rather than admit he is wrong and we are all supposed to play along. Sorry for that board faux pas.
 
Boy, you're obtuse.

I referred to your OWN wording 1st paragraph in post 53

I don't recall there being any massive ticket buyouts to avoid blackouts last season. I remember there being stories about owners promising to do so to avoid blackouts, but I don't think it ever turned out to be necessary.

After which I mentioned the numerous blackouts in Tampa last winter 2010 season despite the team being in contention for the playoffs through December.

But it wasn't neccessary! Eventhough there were 23 blackouts last year, Tampa Bay averaged about 15,000 empty seats per game last year, and many other teams had exponential losses in ticket sales from their 2006 level; it had zero effect on the owners' revenue. At least that is what lamafist is arguing. Apparently the $5 more they charged to upgrade your nachos to a Super Size at the stadium more than made up for the losses.
 
Good News for Patriot tv viewers....

"New England Patriots Season Ticket Waiting List was closing in on 52,000. The Patriots also boast that season ticket renewals are nearly 99%. We estimated a fifty year wait if you signed up for the waiting list last year. I think that estimation is wrong, the wait time is probably closer to 100 years."


Kraft saiys its 60,000 on wait list....SOLID :rocker:
 
Good News for Patriot tv viewers....

"New England Patriots Season Ticket Waiting List was closing in on 52,000. The Patriots also boast that season ticket renewals are nearly 99%. We estimated a fifty year wait if you signed up for the waiting list last year. I think that estimation is wrong, the wait time is probably closer to 100 years."


Kraft saiys its 60,000 on wait list....SOLID :rocker:

Many people in the know feel that the Patriots like a lot of teams are overinflating the waiting list by quite a bit, but there is very little chance the Pats will be blackedout in the forseeable future.
 
Surprised? Nobody was surprised. The impending burst of the housing bubble was being discussed in the Op Ed pages of major newspapers since '03 and '04.

LOL

Some are also predicting another or deepening downturn, yet you don't want to let the NFL owners claim to have valid reason to want to get out in front of that claim...

There exists a hardcore damned if you do and damned if you don't contingent on this board and their opinions are not simply limited to their teams or the league's performance on the field...:bricks: :ugh:
 
I remember the blackout years. I'd look at the weather and if it was nice on Sunday drive the hour through beautiful fall New England towns backroads to Sullivan Stadium, park for free or a $5 church lot donation and buy tickets cheap from desperate resellers in the awful parking lot. Great seats, great games and great prices!
 
Surprised? Nobody was surprised. The impending burst of the housing bubble was being discussed in the Op Ed pages of major newspapers since '03 and '04.
The reason for the housing meltdown was the failure of mortgage companies, and the bad loans that were made. Thiose mortgage companies were flying high in 03 and 04. Alan Greenspan didn't see it coming, so to expect NFL owners to is ridiculous.
If you are talking about predictions that the record increases in market values would slow, that is miles, and miles, and miles away from predicting the housing meltdown the mortgage crisis and the economic downturn that followed.
 
The reason for the housing meltdown was the failure of mortgage companies, and the bad loans that were made. Thiose mortgage companies were flying high in 03 and 04. Alan Greenspan didn't see it coming, so to expect NFL owners to is ridiculous.
If you are talking about predictions that the record increases in market values would slow, that is miles, and miles, and miles away from predicting the housing meltdown the mortgage crisis and the economic downturn that followed.

I think it's very important for everyone to understand the driving principles behind the subprime crisis, because although the crisis itself has subsided, the means and motivation that led to it hasn't changed one bit.

Deregulation had a strong role in the latter stage of the housing crisis bubble. For example, the Glass-Steagall Act was enacted after the Great Depression to separate commercial banks and investment banks, in part to avoid potential conflicts of interest between the lending activities of the former and rating activities of the latter. This is where the MBS's and CDO's come in in the dangerous link between ordinary banking and Wall Street speculation, in the form of credit ratings that allowed those MBS's and CDO's to perpetuate.

A key component of understanding the crisis- is to understand that as the real estate market became the next "hot" thing after the tech bubble burst, the price of property started to rise out of the reach of ordinary buyers, so Wall Street comes up with newfangled financial ingenuity to answer this, such as the mortgage-backed security (MBS) and collateralized debt obligation (CDO), that get assigned "safe ratings." Investors buy those securities under the pretense that they are "safe investments," the mortgage giants are injected with more cash (with which they treat with even more recklessness), through Wall Street, which they loan out to people with questionable assets and credit rating (since they've run out of good people to loan to), that's where the subprime crisis starts. The credit-rating agencies were very complicit in the collapse of the market.

To oversimplify- this is a fancy term for 'leveraging' and 're-leveraging.' Through financial innovation, Wall Street tried to sustain the boom to keep making money off it, but that made the crash even worse as it sucked up more and more money from ordinary investors.

Banks are like ordinary people in that they invest with the money we store in them, with one exception. We are not allowed to invest speculatively to the extent that they do, we are not given the same type of overreaching loans that are given to them on their terms. For us to invest speculatively on the scale that they do, is the equivalent of an ordinary family, betting short on, or taking out a loan on a Gulfstream Jet.

We have actually emerged from the crisis in worse shape than before, and are in position to create even bigger bubbles in the future because none of the de-regulations have been "re-regulated" and the means by which the exorbitant leveraging operate (the "Gulfstream Jet" example here) have not been outlawed, like they were after the Great Depression. Big banks came out even stronger, and smaller banks went under. Those big banks are leveraged even worse than before.

So to get back to the point via the long way- to say the mortgage companies failed is misleading- they were just the middlemen, even partners in crime, who eventually got manipulated by Wall Street "ingenuity." In other words, Wall Street simply jumped on the real estate wagon and rode it into the ground with their "financial ingenuities" which are even more complicated and convoluted than ever.

Just as the next bubble/burst is not going to be because of the specific market that got exploited way beyond its means to sustain, but because of the unchecked principles behind it.
 
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The Wall Street hyper leveraging analysis is spot on. But fuel it with Washington's legislated insistence that banks become far, far less demanding in financial standing of borrowers (remember when you needed at least 20% down, serious personal financial skin in the game) relaxed credit qualifications, and guess what? The demand for housing, at inflated prices, skyrocketed. Post crash, the badly conceived Dodd-Frank Financial Reform (sic) bill did nothing whatsoever to address these and other endemic Fannie Mae, Freddie Mack problems. Those quasi-govt institutions remain as lucrative post congressional career "jobs" for the financially unqualified, before they get their $26M golden parachutes.
 
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I think it's very important for everyone to understand the driving principles behind the subprime crisis, because although the crisis itself has subsided, the means and motivation that led to it hasn't changed one bit.

Deregulation had a strong role in the latter stage of the housing crisis bubble. For example, the Glass-Steagall Act was enacted after the Great Depression to separate commercial banks and investment banks, in part to avoid potential conflicts of interest between the lending activities of the former and rating activities of the latter. This is where the MBS's and CDO's come in in the dangerous link between ordinary banking and Wall Street speculation, in the form of credit ratings that allowed those MBS's and CDO's to perpetuate.

A key component of understanding the crisis- is to understand that as the real estate market became the next "hot" thing after the tech bubble burst, the price of property started to rise out of the reach of ordinary buyers, so Wall Street comes up with newfangled financial ingenuity to answer this, such as the mortgage-backed security (MBS) and collateralized debt obligation (CDO), that get assigned "safe ratings." Investors buy those securities under the pretense that they are "safe investments," the mortgage giants are injected with more cash (with which they treat with even more recklessness), through Wall Street, which they loan out to people with questionable assets and credit rating (since they've run out of good people to loan to), that's where the subprime crisis starts. The credit-rating agencies were very complicit in the collapse of the market.

To oversimplify- this is a fancy term for 'leveraging' and 're-leveraging.' Through financial innovation, Wall Street tried to sustain the boom to keep making money off it, but that made the crash even worse as it sucked up more and more money from ordinary investors.

Banks are like ordinary people in that they invest with the money we store in them, with one exception. We are not allowed to invest speculatively to the extent that they do, we are not given the same type of overreaching loans that are given to them on their terms. For us to invest speculatively on the scale that they do, is the equivalent of an ordinary family, betting short on, or taking out a loan on a Gulfstream Jet.

We have actually emerged from the crisis in worse shape than before, and are in position to create even bigger bubbles in the future because none of the de-regulations have been "re-regulated" and the means by which the exorbitant leveraging operate (the "Gulfstream Jet" example here) have not been outlawed, like they were after the Great Depression. Big banks came out even stronger, and smaller banks went under. Those big banks are leveraged even worse than before.

So to get back to the point via the long way- to say the mortgage companies failed is misleading- they were just the middlemen, even partners in crime, who eventually got manipulated by Wall Street "ingenuity." In other words, Wall Street simply jumped on the real estate wagon and rode it into the ground with their "financial ingenuities" which are even more complicated and convoluted than ever.

Just as the next bubble/burst is not going to be because of the specific market that got exploited way beyond its means to sustain, but because of the unchecked principles behind it.

I have done a little bit of study on both these issues. I think you will find there is a large similarity to the deregulation of the energy market that led to the rise and fall of enron. To the deregulation of financial markets that led to the real estate boom then bust. Its the same old story, the middle and senior management have performance intensives based on 1-3 year time frames, their job is to maxamise their earnings on that time scale. There is no prize for singing a contract that will sustain the company 10 years down the track (hence why enron argued for mark to market accounting), they maxamise their short term earnings, the problem is their are consequences for this type of short term planning and in general the people who pay the most aren't the people who created the mess in the 1st place.
 
I think it's very important for everyone to understand the driving principles behind the subprime crisis, because although the crisis itself has subsided, the means and motivation that led to it hasn't changed one bit.

Deregulation had a strong role in the latter stage of the housing crisis bubble. For example, the Glass-Steagall Act was enacted after the Great Depression to separate commercial banks and investment banks, in part to avoid potential conflicts of interest between the lending activities of the former and rating activities of the latter. This is where the MBS's and CDO's come in in the dangerous link between ordinary banking and Wall Street speculation, in the form of credit ratings that allowed those MBS's and CDO's to perpetuate.

A key component of understanding the crisis- is to understand that as the real estate market became the next "hot" thing after the tech bubble burst, the price of property started to rise out of the reach of ordinary buyers, so Wall Street comes up with newfangled financial ingenuity to answer this, such as the mortgage-backed security (MBS) and collateralized debt obligation (CDO), that get assigned "safe ratings." Investors buy those securities under the pretense that they are "safe investments," the mortgage giants are injected with more cash (with which they treat with even more recklessness), through Wall Street, which they loan out to people with questionable assets and credit rating (since they've run out of good people to loan to), that's where the subprime crisis starts. The credit-rating agencies were very complicit in the collapse of the market.

To oversimplify- this is a fancy term for 'leveraging' and 're-leveraging.' Through financial innovation, Wall Street tried to sustain the boom to keep making money off it, but that made the crash even worse as it sucked up more and more money from ordinary investors.

Banks are like ordinary people in that they invest with the money we store in them, with one exception. We are not allowed to invest speculatively to the extent that they do, we are not given the same type of overreaching loans that are given to them on their terms. For us to invest speculatively on the scale that they do, is the equivalent of an ordinary family, betting short on, or taking out a loan on a Gulfstream Jet.

We have actually emerged from the crisis in worse shape than before, and are in position to create even bigger bubbles in the future because none of the de-regulations have been "re-regulated" and the means by which the exorbitant leveraging operate (the "Gulfstream Jet" example here) have not been outlawed, like they were after the Great Depression. Big banks came out even stronger, and smaller banks went under. Those big banks are leveraged even worse than before.

So to get back to the point via the long way- to say the mortgage companies failed is misleading- they were just the middlemen, even partners in crime, who eventually got manipulated by Wall Street "ingenuity." In other words, Wall Street simply jumped on the real estate wagon and rode it into the ground with their "financial ingenuities" which are even more complicated and convoluted than ever.

Just as the next bubble/burst is not going to be because of the specific market that got exploited way beyond its means to sustain, but because of the unchecked principles behind it.

Don't forget about the Credit Default Swaps which allowed companies like AIG to turn the already speculative CDO market into a high stakes casino.... with no money at all to back it up. Without them, we could have paid off every single subprime loan with less than 1/4 of the bailout money instead of writing the offenders a blank check.
 
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I have done a little bit of study on both these issues. I think you will find there is a large similarity to the deregulation of the energy market that led to the rise and fall of enron. To the deregulation of financial markets that led to the real estate boom then bust. Its the same old story, the middle and senior management have performance intensives based on 1-3 year time frames, their job is to maxamise their earnings on that time scale. There is no prize for singing a contract that will sustain the company 10 years down the track (hence why enron argued for mark to market accounting), they maxamise their short term earnings, the problem is their are consequences for this type of short term planning and in general the people who pay the most aren't the people who created the mess in the 1st place.

We really need to look into executive compensation in this country. It really as gotten to the point where there is a peverse incentive to turn your company into a giant ponzi scheme.

In my AIG example above, Joseph Casano was able to justify hundreds of millions of dollars on compensation from 2003-2007 because they considered all the revenue from CDSs to be profit, when in fact every single one was a losing bet from the get go. So the tax payer covered the debts while Joe was able to walk away scott free.

Hell, the guy is even better than scott free because he is currently receiving a million dollar a year salary from AIG for his "expertise". Only in America is bankrupting one of the biggest companies in the world over a 10 year period of time earn you half a billion dollar nest egg and a million dollar a year income. :bricks:
 
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Don't forget about the Credit Default Swaps which allowed companies like AIG to turn the already speculative CDO market into a high stakes casino.... with no money at all to back it up. Without them, we could have paid off every single subprime loan with less than 1/4 of the bailout money instead of writing the offenders a blank check.

The worst part about CDS is that they aren't traded on the exchange so transactions aren't reported to the gov't, although DTCC has "volunteered" better access for regulators.
 
Tell me this...what is so different from AIG's obviously immoral and probably illegal machinations and those of Roger Goodell?
 
The worst part about CDS is that they aren't traded on the exchange so transactions aren't reported to the gov't, although DTCC has "volunteered" better access for regulators.

Not just that but the people who were grading the risk's of these bundles were also trading the bundled up securities. It then comes to a point where the person who has all the insurance is in a better position if the market fails then if it succeeds. It's like me buying insurance on your house, i have no interest or investment in your house and am actually in a better position if it burns down. Sure you have no house but i get a nice payday.
 
Tell me this...what is so different from AIG's obviously immoral and probably illegal machinations and those of Roger Goodell?

Roger goodell's didn't effect billions of people around the globe
 
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Can we now conclude that a matter of days has passed and the mob can unleash the fury?

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Pardon the interruption of economics 101 hijack...

Freeman has curbed his bold enthusiasm of a matter of days prediction although he still thinks a deal gets done by the end of this month or early next month...

He is now getting ahead of handing out kudos to the dealmakers he believes will deserve the credit when it does happen, Mara and Kraft. Since they were the same families who brokered the last deal I just hope this time they are getting it right as oppose to just getting it done.

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LOL

Some are also predicting another or deepening downturn, yet you don't want to let the NFL owners claim to have valid reason to want to get out in front of that claim...

There exists a hardcore damned if you do and damned if you don't contingent on this board and their opinions are not simply limited to their teams or the league's performance on the field...:bricks: :ugh:

man, that's so true. there are some posters that, i know automatically, i won't agree with. then there is rob, mo and andy. the red sox have their pinkhats and the pats have their tinfoil hats. and if anyone wants to test my pats knowledge... Mike Taliaferro and Jim Colclough say hi.
 
I just want camp to start on time....


Get it done....
 
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