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NFL source: Labor negotiations 80-85 percent complete - NFL - CBSSports.com Football
CBS--that's a bit better a source than a paper from Andover, Mass.
That would be awesome; though someone tweeted Breer asking what he thought of the report and he responded "I say that's going overboard." I wouldn't mind Freeman being right just this once.
So I'm at Best Buy spending major 4 figures updating my home theater from its 2001 configuration and this geeky 50 something guy goes on a rant about the lockout citing his girlfriend's obsession with the NFL. Spot on target he bemoans the 9 billion dollar NFL's attainment as #1 in sports popularity and what, they're kicking their fans in the teeth. It is SO important for the NFL if it wishes to transition from 10 figure revenue to 11 to fix this BS now and avoid MLB redux.
Make it so.
So say we all.
Ill believe it when i see it
Congrats on the upgrade
The good news is that Freeman's sources during this whole thing have been pretty accurate. The better news is his sources appear to be on the players' side who always have been far less optimistic and rosey with their spin on negotiations than the owners' side has been.
I'm about to do the same...just not sure what kind of upgrade I can get for my 4 figures...($99.00)
I see a new remote in your future
Why you go get yourself one of them new fangled CRT thangs. I hear they're colored now too.
Everyone is optimistic. But as Breer cautioned and Schefter just tweeted...
a "deal" huh??? well..all I gotta say about this is....bust a deal, face the wheel..
Schefter has been a pessimist on this all along. I heard him on Sirius NFL Radio last week saying he doesn't believe the players will get serious about negotiating until after the 8th Circuit ruling and a deal won't be done before late July early Augst at the earliest. That contradicts virtually every report that has the deal done by early July.
Ironically, Schefter's own reporting seems to indicate the owners may be voting on the deal as soon as next Tuesday:
NFL lockout: League, players meeting once again, sources say - ESPN
I heard that the deal has been made and camp will start on time.....
(and then I woke up)
This nfl.com report contains the following sentence that would seem to support Schefter, though its not the players who seem to be reluctant:
...suggests a lack of urgency. Having said that I am encouraged that progress is being made. It looks like the proof of the pudding will come at the end of the owners' meeting next week in Chicago. If they accept the draft framework that seems to be emerging then there will be grounds for realistic optimism.
My hesitation at the moment is centered around some of the owners who are less than competent, and want to make easier profits at the expense of the players and the football following public. They do not run their organizations anything like the Steelers, Patriots or Cowboys, and are using the expiry of the CBA as an opportunity to get something similar to a tax cut, in other words more for no effort. If these franchises were more successful and efficient there would be more money in the pot for the players. Franchises are like gardens - if you don't tend and nurture them they produce neither blooms nor fruits. Because there is a limited number of franchises the owners have an obligation to look after their clubs and make them both competitive and healthy.
The players are far from blameless and if they had approached these negotiations with proposals, that would place conditions on the poorly performing franchises, alongside their increased employment demands they might have reduced the appearance of greed versus greed that led to the acrimony in the first month of talks.
I hope that the better business sense of Kraft and other good owners will prevail. I trust that they will.
Actually, the NFL.com story suggests a deal is imminent and the owners will be voting on it next week. From the article:
Yes, it is the framework, but if it is approved by both sides, the CBA could be done in a few days to a week for final vote.
I have gone on record that both sides are both part greedy and part looking out for what is best for the game.
The owners are, in fact, proactive, because even the less competent owners understand that even if the court holds that Norris-LaGuardia prohibits the injunction, the NFL is still liable for anti-trust violations (triple the damage). The longer this goes on, the higher the anti-trust damages are going to be, potentially. So in this view, in the longer run, it appears the owners are going to be more hurt than the players.
So my worry is not the owners at this point, but the players, who I hope will pull their heads out of their asses.
If they can get this done before 7/1 and then have a FA signing period before TC, that would be ideal, considering have far this has gotten out of hand.
Sounds more an more optimistic. And it'd be a real problem if they are leaking this information and for it not to be true. that could cause more harm to the fan-base than the current status-quo (you can only disappoint some fans too much -- though I'm not one of them. I'll be there when football is available).
it won't be a Harmony One as that's more than 99.00, but it's a heck of a remote.
80--85 percent complete? It all depends on exactly which 15--20% remains unresolved. The Israeli's and Palestinians have been 80% of the way to a deal for over a decade; it's that last 20% on things like exact borders, right of return and the status of Jerusalem that's been holding things up.
I was kind of hoping for a cancelled season, but if the players are truly crushed then that'll be OK, I guess.
Along with not being able to get along for 2,000 years? I'm sorry this is just football, not politics.
Good news! De Smith kicked Jeffrey Kessler out of today's meetings because he nearly blew up the process yesterday. Kessler is evil and should not be involved in anything other than reviewing the deal to make sure it is legal. Kessler is a big reason why there is no deal now.
You know, I read yesterday that they were letting the lawyers back in. Then this morning I saw on Schefter that things almost fell apart yesterday.
Lockout: Talks 'almost blew up' Tuesday, source says - ESPN
That's good news that De Smith asked the lawyers to leave. I've been firmly on the players side of this problem from the getgo, but have not been a huge fan of his leadership. Good to see he is now committed to getting the deal done at this stage.
It's embarrassing that the lawyers are such a threat to what progress has been made that they have to be treated like children and sent for timeouts.
NFL, NFLPA negotiators huddle for second straight day - NFL - SI.com
First of all if this is true I am not happy to hear that they lawyers are back in the room however, "A person with knowledge" is about as vague as you can get and invokes no confidence with me.
The lawyers will have to come in at some point to handle the drafting of the legal document itself, but from the way it seems- it looks like they were brought in a little too soon. So that's good they got kicked out again because it shows that both sides are finally sincere about the process.
My personal opinion is that I think it's oxymoronic, and counterproductive for DeSmith to keep using lawyers who are litigators (e.g., Kessler) because it's in the best interests of the litigators that this continues indefinitely and not get settled (and for the anti-trust triple damage to keep piling up).
DeSmith probably won't do it, but if he were to hire contract lawyers, they'd just charge to draft legal documents spelling out the new CBA.
Q: You're trapped in a room with Rex Ryan, Ben Roethlisberger and a lawyer and you only have two bullets in your gun. What do you do?
A: Shoot the lawyer. Twice.
The whole De Smith standing up to the lawyers leak is likely designed to make him a hero in the eyes of the players to try to insure his re-election next year.
I highly doubt it happenned anything like Schefter was told.
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