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    #24 Jersey


    Thats a great line. :D
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    I enjoyed it too, but I don't think he turned Danny Woodhead into a good player. Woodhead was already good. What he did do was give him an opportunity to really show everyone just how good he can be, which is also classic BB. Your pedigree doesn't matter, what you do on the field does.
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    "In the end, Belichick juiced Moss like an orange, and once all the good pulp was squeezed, he tossed Moss aside. "
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    "This year has been typical Belichick. He ejected a moody Randy Moss from New England's locker room just as Moss was losing his play-making ability and sanity. The timing was perfect. In the end, Belichick juiced Moss like an orange, and once all the good pulp was squeezed, he tossed Moss aside. "

    I don't think this assessment is fair. Randy would still be here if he hadn't started acting up to get what he wanted. The writer is just making the circumstances fit the old BB storyline.
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    ... and maybe if not for Brad Childress making an offer BB couldn't refuse.

    Overall though, I agree with Freeman here. I know I was one of the Pats fans defending Moss against columnists like Freeman before he got traded. But since the trade, it's fairly clear that, while he still has great speed and hands, Moss just can't get open like he used to.

    We don't want this to be another Moss thread...

    One thing I do think is missing from this assessment: Mention of the Pats' youth and what a good draft they had this past April. It's been mentioned here that BB really enjoys teaching, and he's done a great job with well chosen students this year.
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    That's why I think this season is BB's best coaching job in a long time. All year he has been leaning on the offense while the defense grows some legs and the vast multitude of youngsters gain some valuable playing time.

    If the defense continues to grow and get better, somewhere near playoff time there could be a convergence of offense and defense each pulling their weight.

    It can't be understated what the loss of Gotkowski means to ST however. Hopefully we don;t implode to the level San Diego was at earlier this year.
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    maybe he meant BB puts in him in a position to succeed and utilizes his talents perfectly.
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    I dont think this is a fair assesment. I know he is a long time vet and one would think he could pick up any offense at this point in his career but I think one should certainly think about the fact that he cant get open in a system that he might not even know where or how his QB want him open. If he is still running to where he thinks Brady wants him to be vs a certain coverage than maybe that is why Favre and Young/Collins/Smith cant find him.

    I doubt he will ever get back to the heights he has been but give him some time to learn a system and learn a QBs tendencies and will be a 1,000 yard receiver again.
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    Moss is water under the bridge...why can't we just move on? :eek:
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    Yeah, I hope that's what he meant because I agree but it came across to me like BB some UDFA scrub and turned him into a player, which I don't think is true. Woodhead was impressing people as a Jet but not enough for them to give him an opportunity like BB did.
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    I have moved on as far as Moss and the Patriots are concerned but I also still like the player and hope he shows the world they were wrong nest year when he gets a full offseason with a new team and system. (well I only hope this if he lands on a team I don't hate)
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    If enough of you inject life into this article, it may suck a little bit less, but it's a poorly written piece about an oft discussed notion. Waste of bandwidth.
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    You do realize that you contradict yourself. You say that BB didn't use Randy and then get rid of him once all the pulp was squeezed (aka good play was gone), yet you then state that Randy would still be here if he hadn't started acting up.

    The acting up was Randy turning moody. I think that it describes the situation perfectly. And it's one that many of us said could happen when Randy was first brought to the team.

    You're right, if Randy had shut his mouth and played, he'd still be here. But he didn't. He ran his mouth and did more to garner attention off the field than on it. Hence, his getting traded.
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    I actually thought that article was pretty weak.

    First of all, the author uses no data to support his argument that BB is at the top of his game. A 9-2 season for BB puts him on pace for his 4th best season record wise in 8 years (2003, 2004, 2007). We all know the reason why this is his best year - even better than 03/04/07 in terms of coaching: dump Moss, 4 rookie starters on defense, Arrington patch a CB#2, 2 rookie TE, Woodhead who? Law firm who? Rookie punter, return for Sey not realized yet, and most importantly: BB is defensive coordinator and technically the offensive coordinator too. (although, we all know Patricia/Pepper & Obrien are de factor coordinators), or the fact that he has 6 picks in the first 3 rounds of 2011 and is steaming ahead while reloading continuously.

    I didn't see any mention of these issues BB has navigated this year.

    And he uses the backhanded compliment of spygate as a way to discredit BB at the same time of praising his competitiveness and strategic acumen.

    Overall, I want to see arguments for why BB is the best, not simply anonymous quotes from coaches around the league. I'm sure I could dig up enough quotes over the years that praise Brad Childress if I looked long enough on google.
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    Agreed. I thought it was a pretty crappy article. Though it got the main point right, the rest was pretty bland.

    You can make a really compelling argument for this being BB's best coaching job. The article didn't really do that though.
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    Dabruinz -- just to clarify -- the part in italics is a quotation directly from the article. The part underneath is my opinion.
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    I disagree. It was apparent that Moss still had his hands and great speed. But he has lost the additional accelleration gear that created the 3-5 yard separation, that Randy used to have, for the right moment. So the number of great long distance completions declined, precipitously.

    Belichick is no fool. He has eyes. Without a higher completion percentage on deep pass attempts, those drive-killing attempts when unsuccessful, reduce scoring enough to be outscored, while giving the opponents too many more offensive series.
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