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    Space to discuss current status of the CBA as it inches toward completion.

    A real shame that the players were not able to vote on it yesterday, after months to prepare. Let's hope they do today. One more signal that they are in no hurry to get back on the field. Each day it's open creates an opportunity for one more request, one more complication.

    As Kevin Mawae clearly stated: "Our timeline is that which gives us the best deal for the players." Which should be his position, of course.

    Today could still be the day both sides start to approve the process.

    Presumably, if the player review drags long enough to miss a preseason week, league revenues will be lower and the cap will have to be adjusted.
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    Sounds like the owners are really pushing for it to be done, while the players want some last items discussed. Lucky for the players, they're drawing the ire of pretty much everyone else (myself included).
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    i am so unbelievably sick and tired of this cba bull sh!t. get the god damn thing done already:mad:
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    Contrary what Chester Pitts says, the deal will be done by this weekend. The players can't hold up the process going after things that easily spun to be greedy (special consideration for plantiffs, $320 million in benefits "lost" last year). All they can do is play a game of chicken with the owners and see if they blink first. Maybe the owners will give concessions if they think the players will delay the start of the football year by a week or two. Or maybe the owners will think the players are bluffing and call them on their bluff and then the players will likely back down. It's all a last minute powerplay IMHO and it will be all over by this weekend.
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    You've been wrong before...

    I think push is coming to shove as the owners apparently play to vote on a settlement and CBA by 5:30 today whether the players are ready to settle or not and then kick the ball back into their court with the caveat that they will start losing $35M per day off the deal once delays start impacting the pre season schedule...and that will take about a million a day off each teams cap. Take it or leave it time.
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    It seems reasonable to reduce the 2011 cap by $7M for each pre-season game missed. I suspect that many of the 20 teams that are $10M or more under might welcome such a result.

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    I don't get it. Don't contracted players have their salaries amortized proportionately even including something for pre-season? If so any cap reduction is met by an expense reduction and it's a wash in a 1st order analysis.
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    For those under contract, sort of - although maybe they get asked to restructure... Less money for FA and everyone else if the cap shrinks...

    De just wasted another 5 minutes of my life with his BS presser... This is all a stall by the executive committee and Kessler to try and squeeze another ounce out of the process.
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    It won't wash. If the cap is $113M instead of $120M, teams will have $7M less of cap money to spend. Yes, the players already signed will be in the best shape, although the new cap might one or two to be cut or be foreced to restructure. The primary effect will be on free agents. If no one else were cut or restructured, their pay would be decreased by $225M. Considering that the cuts or restructures could happen anyway, the real reduction could be the full $225M.

    The owners won't gain since they will lose the revenues from the lost preseason game. In this scenario, it is a simple decision for the players. Thewy can decide how much to reduce the pay of the free agents and perhaps risk being cut to save cap money.


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    I get the feeling we won't be hearing about free agent/rookie signings as soon as we would've liked. :(
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    Agreed. And, much like back in March, this would have been taken care of long ago if that schmuck DeMaurice wasn't in charge of the players. Keep it up, dumbass...your players are about to lose a crapload of money on lost preseason games.
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    Just saw this tweet from SI's Don Banks.

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    You mean, unlike the 3%-7% of the entire pie that they've already lost in the negotiations?
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    I've been avoiding most of this lockout talk, so the players agreed to get less money? I thought I read that they were "the winner" in these negotiations.
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    Smith's tone and attitude definitely were a surprise to me. The past few weeks all we saw was him going into and out of meetings with owners, meetings where all this progress was made. But I guess grandstanding and blowy rhetoric are part of the process right now.
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    We don't have the details but, according to most of the reports, the player percentage of the pie is dropping to between 46.5%-48% of the pie, when they'd previously been getting from about 50+% to 53%. My rounding was approximate, so that part could be off a bit, but the drop is significant.
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    Recertification shouldn't hold up the CBA.....That can be done electronically and shouldn't hold anything up according to what I read somewhere....

    Lets see if the players can get their act together and get back to TC by the next week at the latest.....Pats usually open TC around July 27th or so I believe....
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    Plus they could basically open up business and the camps and re-certify in the first few days of business.

    This has got to be a good sign.

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    From what I read they were getting just over %50 of the pie AFTER 1 billion (and ajustments) was taken off the top. Reports are they will now be getting around %48 of the entire pie. That percentage can be ajusted down to %46.5 over the years (Don't remember how or why). But over all they made out about the same in this regard I believe.
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    In 2006, they got 52.7%. In 2009, they got 50.6%. They're now going to be getting between 46.5% and 48%. That's a big difference. Of course, we don't know if additional revenues were added, or if some were removed, so we're just taking best guesses at this point.
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    NFC executive in personnel just said his club has been told that training-camp rosters will be expanded from 80 to 90 players. #packers
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    Yep..and then it will be the players holding up the ball of wax.....

    Vote on recertification and file that paperwork you dummies...
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    MikeSilver Michael Silver
    Ok, here's where we are on labor. Both sides ready to approve settlement with conditions, but there's still a significant staredown...

    MikeSilver Michael Silver
    ...Players say nfl lawyer bob batterman wants them to agree to adhere to terms of 2006 cba on non-compensation issues...

    MikeSilver Michael Silver
    ...Players want to recertify and THEN negotiate new terms...

    MikeSilver Michael Silver
    Issues in play include: Discipline-grievance process, drug testing/substance abuse, disability bens, pensions, work rules, health & safety



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    That is MASSIVE.
    Who knows if it is accurate.
    If so, the players are saying they would like to re-open terms before agreeing.
    If that is accurate, either they cave, or this lock-out is not as close as we have been lead to believe.

    Multiple sources are saying the owners are voting on this currently.
    The players opted not to vote yesterday, and may not approve today.

    Many folks threw out the date of July 15 as the deadline to avoid missing games. As we inch past that, the first week of preseason games get trickier to schedule. And then the revenue picture changes - and then the cap.
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    On the percentage of the pie question:

    Yes, as others have pointed out, the definition of the pie has changed.
    It used to not include the ice cream. Now it includes ice cream and coffee.

    That is, there was a negotiated split in the 50% range of a net pie after fees were removed for investments and so forth. The new pie includes the a larger definition of revenues, no removal for investments, but a lower percentage.

    Ignore all that and consider the total salary cap.
    It's gone down a bit.
    Thus, the players are getting a bit less money.
    I recall that the 2009 cap was $127mm. The 2011 cap is supposed to be $120mm. There may be more in benefits - you probably need to consider both cap and benefits. But it looks like less money to the players, which is what the owners wanted.
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