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    A lot of us in the draft forum liked him coming out.
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    yeah...I liked him. I also likes janoris jenkins. both have played well (despite what the recent rams game would say about jenkins).

    dennard has worked out well though. ebner is a solid st player who shows good instincts on d (though he by no means is ready for play on defense).

    and bequette adds depth.


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    It's a little too early to give up on Jake Bequette - prospects develop at different rates. But Heyward was certainly on the list of potential prospects to consider at 62.

    If the Pats could somehow have found a way of taking Heyward and still getting Dennard and Ebner, that would have been a pretty nice haul. Assuming that Chung and Arrington are probably in their last year and McCourty is staying at safety, McCourty-Wilson-Gregory-Ebner at safety and Heyward-Dennard-Dowling-Cole (if Dowling can ever stay on the field) at CB wouldn't be a bad young nucleus.
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    The pats had possibly the best draft in recent memory / last 10 years and you want to complain about one trade that netted 4 guys who are all ON THE TEAM??? where is that palm slap gif?
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    Dennard might be just as good in the long run.Not to mention Bequette.
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    ey but Ebner `plays rugby.
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    Of course, now that the Pats have traded for Aqib Talib - which I suggested that they do a week or two ago - they have a nucleus of Talib-Dennard-Dowling at CB and McCourty-Wilson-Gregory-Ebner at safety, assuming that Chung moves on after this season at the latest. That's a nice nucleus. Talib and Dowling (if he can stay healthy) would give the team 6'1" bookend CBs, and both guys plus Dennard are physical CBs who can play press/man coverage.

    The secondary is shaping up. I can live without Casey Heyward.
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    I didn't really like the trades at the time, didn't think the Pats got an even deal.

    But I'm happy with Dennard, intrigued about Ebner in the long term, and slightly disappointed in Bequette.

    Still way too early to call.
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    Frankly,I thought Patriots would draft either Mohamed Sanu or Rueben Randale and be done at this point.
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    This will be very interesting won't it. Talib with McCourty outside could be interesting... but then again McCourty staying at FS seems to have the pats a little more stable deep.

    Very interesting times for the Pats and i love it
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    No offense...

    ...but haven't we spent the last 2 months talking about how the Pats coaching staff is the huge reason why the secondary is failing? So, you can't have it both ways. If NE drafted Hayward...he wouldn't pan out. Same thing for McCourtey. It's not a lack of talent. It's a lack of coaching.
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    I think the biggest knock on him from the Pats' point of view is that he was a better zone corner than man corner coming out of college, and they would have rather gotten a man corner (like Dennard) who only had to adjust to the NFL rather than a zone corner who had to learn how to play man coverage AND adjust to NFL speed. Good player, but in hindsight I can see why the Pats didn't pick him.
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    That is by no means the consensus.

    After all, last season the coaching staff picked up guys off the street and were able to get to the SB. Our secondary was awful talent wise, but not bad enough to destroy our chance at winning it all.

    This season we have had games with multiple rookie DB's starting. And in all honesty, if the offense had played only a little closer to how good it probably can we could be 8-0 right now.

    The coaching staff has made a lot out of a little and shown that it can have an inexperienced D improve over the course of a season. Clearly our DB's have been lacking in talent, experience, or both lately. By the end of the season we should be able to field a group that has more talent and more experience playing as a single group than we have seen in the past few years.
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    What really pisses me off about that trade is that Cleveland later sends 67 to Denver for 87 & 120.
    Bill traded with Denver for Hightower during the first round, so it's not like he didn't know their
    phone number. GB took him to the cleaners on that one.

    And for the hundreth time, dam the Fat Albert & OchoStinko trades; they handcuffed Bill during
    this year's draft, and they'll handcuff him during next year's draft too. We warned him...
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    Bequette has been invisible but Dennard and Ebner look pretty good. The Pats went for quantity and they have 3 players to show for that pick instead of one.
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    This is nothing compared to 2006, when the Pats traded UP with the Packers to trade Chad Jackson. The Packers then urinated on the Pats by selecting Greg Jennings in their trade-down slot. I don't even want to look up who else they got- probably Jordy Nelson, John Kuhn, and James Jones all in one pick.
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    It's also not fair to say that without this trade, we wouldn't have Dennard. He was picked with the 224th pick in the draft. There's a good chance he would have gone undrafted if the Pats didn't take him.
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    GB has done so well when they Trade with our Pats...i wouldn't Trade with them anymore in the future. Clay Matthews - Greg Jennings and now this kid are you reading this board BB?? NO More Trades with Greenbay in the future.:mad::D
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    Re: CB that GB selected with the Pats 2nd Round Pick named Defensive Rookie of the Mo

    which means practically anyone could have signed him. which means there would have been no guarantee he would be on the pats roster.
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    Re: CB that GB selected with the Pats 2nd Round Pick named Defensive Rookie of the Mo

    Why does it matter? We wouldn't have taken Hayward with that pick anyway.
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    Re: CB that GB selected with the Pats 2nd Round Pick named Defensive Rookie of the Mo

    The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
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    It's easy to play virtual GM. But, in real life...
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    The draft is such a massively complex thing that it's unreasonable to break it down so simply. For all we know, BB did call Denver and got refused because they felt their guy would get to them, and then there was a run on players they had similarly-ranked so they got desperate a few picks later. Or maybe they heard some rumblings about their guy afterwards that made them jump.

    Sometimes you can offer more than fair value for a spot but a team won't budge because of all sorts of other reasons. This isn't like Madden, and the draft isn't done solely by using the draft value chart and whenever a value trade matches up on the chart, you can press a button and say OK. Look at the Mallett selection.

    BB practically shopped that pick on TV by leaking it well in advance of the selection to see if there were any takers. If someone called with a reasonable offer, he would have traded out. If a team wanted Mallett and thought he would slip, this was his way of changing their blood pressure in the decision process. Maybe we did get calls but not with the kind of offers we wanted. I don't know. But the point is simply that each pick is not made in a vacuum; there are a ton of other factors going on, and even a pick a few rounds before might trigger a butterfly effect causing a run on a position no one anticipated. 32 teams value hundreds of players in different ways depending on scheme and value against their different rosters, yet we're going to break it down simply as Cleveland got better value for a pick so they are smarter than us?

    As for being handcuffed by the Ocho and Fat Albert trades, sure, that was a factor. But every decision carries a risk factor, and you can't just look at when it doesn't work and point out the negative. A 5th and 6th-round pick for the chance of a 1,000-yard receiver isn't a huge gamble. A 5th-round pick for the chance of a Pro Bowl-caliber DT isn't either. The odds of drafting someone who could give you that type of output in those rounds is probably the same, if not lower.

    It was a low-risk trade with high-reward potential. We've done it numerous times. The 2007 draft was handcuffed by the trading of picks for a washed-up Randy Moss and some undrafted punt returner who never broke 700 yards receiving in Wes Welker.

    Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. But if you only look at one side of the equation, you're eventually going to conclude that nothing works. You can't draft, you can't trade, you can't sign free agents, because every single one of those items carries a risk of failure, and based on looking only at failures, it adds up to failure 100% of the time.
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    Re: CB that GB selected with the Pats 2nd Round Pick named Defensive Rookie of the Mo

    Perhaps it was indeed Denver's fault for not accepting 62 from Bill instead of 67 from Cleveland;
    but there was no way whatsoever I would have traded any draft picks at all for Stinko & Fat Albert.
    If the Bungles & Deadskins had released them, then I would have offered nothing but the vet minimum
    for either of them.
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    Re: CB that GB selected with the Pats 2nd Round Pick named Defensive Rookie of the Mo

    The draft is a crap shoot at best..
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    Re: CB that GB selected with the Pats 2nd Round Pick named Defensive Rookie of the Mo

    I hate these Monday Morning QBing on drafts. I mean Jets fans can say they could have had Chandler Jones over Quinten Coples. It is two month into this rookies class' career. Let's hold back the rage and excitement.

    After his first year, people on this board were comparing McCourty to Revis. Now half this board look at him as a draft bust. Personally I think both sentiments are/were wrong.

    I am sure the same will be said about many rookies that people are either high or low on at this point in the season.
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    Re: CB that GB selected with the Pats 2nd Round Pick named Defensive Rookie of the Mo

    FWIW, I find it interesting that in 2007, after making a complete mess of the WR position, BB went out and loaded up on WRs.

    Then, in 2010, after having the worst TE unit in the NFL, he arguably brought in the best TE unit of all time.

    He tried to do that this year with the secondary, but things haven't worked quite as well as we'd like.
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    Re: CB that GB selected with the Pats 2nd Round Pick named Defensive Rookie of the Mo

    I'll say it: Green Bay is better at drafting than the Pats are.
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