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  1. carolinatony

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    Veteran cornerback Al Harris, arguably the league's best coverage player who has never been selected to a Pro Bowl, has signed a two-year contract extension with the Green Bay Packers.

    The deal is an add-on to the five-year, $18.7 million extension that Harris signed in 2004, a contract that included about $7 million in guarantees. That extension still has three seasons remaining on it, through 2009.

    Financial details of the new extension were not yet available, but Harris told the Wisconsin State Journal that it includes two roster bonuses totaling $4.5 million, along with some Pro Bowl incentives.


    How does this affect our situtaion with Samuel or does it?
     
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    I assume I am missing the reason why it possibly would?
     
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    The money he signed for.
    Is this what Samuel will be looking for and will we pay it?
     
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    It sure doesn't hurt Asante's bargaining chips, that's for sure. I think the final outcome of this situation will either be that Samuel leaves straight away for a higher paying club or the Patriots tag him and risk a redux of the Branch saga.
     
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    well, we can at least appreciate the thought that he is recognized as the best cover corner not selected to the PB. You could make a case for Asante being the second. I'm sure Shavers is .

    Extension....hmmm. What is that again? Something about extending the relationship with your valuable players and maintaing consistency on the team, thus avoiding difficult negotiations when they're in a contract year, or close to it? I suggested one time on this message board that the Patriots consider such a strategy and it was immediately suggested that I go follow the Redskins. Guess I'm still missing the boat on that one.
     
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    Which team has maintained consistent success lately, the Packers or the Patriots?

    The Packers have maintained consistency: They've been consistently horrid.

    The Patriots have a plan. They follow the plan even in cases where the fans will throw a fit. They are consistently a team that has a shot at a Superbowl. I'll trust the plan.

    But that's just me.
     
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    I think a fairly comparable player - good but hasn't made a Pro Bowl - is a legit reason to look at this deal as a gauge for Samuel. He'll likely want more, being younger and all, but I wouldn't be surprised if this sets some parameters for a deal, to some degree. Bottom line, though - I think Samuel is gone, hopefully for a draft pick.
     
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    Well said.
     
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    I guess we will all find out soon which way BB goes with him.
    They do have a value system and stick with it.
     
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    I guess it is worth remembering that nobody has talked numbers yet. There's a big difference between $10M/year (elite status) and $3.5M/year (Harris' original 5-year deal.) If we're looking at the $5-6M APY, welcome back, Asante, sorry I was such a prick. I somehow doubt it though... and I don't think we get Asante without getting into the $7+M APY range, which is just too high if you ask me.

    Of course nobody's asking me, which is a good thing (still a kool-aid connossieur here.)

    PFnV
     
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    I agree with your thinking EXCEPT the last line....why do you think he is gone??

    If we offer a legitimate contract based on decent bonus money and decent pay and most likely a four year deal (such as what he probably wants enabling him to get a 2nd payday before 30) - then why wouldn't we be able to keep him??

    Is it that you just don't think we will offer a fair deal or that Assante wants more than "fair" (I would define fair as consistent with salary of his peers, taking into consideration the market as it is in 2007)??
     
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    If we franchised Samuel and traded him, would the picks we get count for this upcoming draft?
     
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    Yeah, you are, if you are saying the Pattiots should copy the Green Bay Packers and Redskins.

    I love it when people use the Redskins and Packers etc as examples of what we should be doing.

    Perhaps the packers and Redskins should stop and say to themselves, "Is this what the Patriots would do?" and if the answer is NO, don't do it.
     
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    If we trade a player for a team's 2007 pick, we get their 2007 pick. If we trade for their 2008 pick, we get their 2008 pick.
     
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    BLUF: it doesnt impact Samuel at all. Because players disregard the deals that contradict the over-blown ego self-evaluated value they place on themselves.


    Harris had a 18.7M deal over 5 years ( = 3.75M / yr) and now has a 23.2M deal over 7 years with maybe some ProBowl bonus later on. So his 3.75M per year deal is now a 3.3M per year deal.

    That is some HOME TOWN DISCOUNT he gave the Pack for getting the money UPFRONT in the way of bonuses. He lowered his average annual salary by $400,000 per year and gave the Pack 2 more of his PRIME wage earning years. (if the verbal report from Harris of a total of $4.5M is all there is in the extension)

    In the real world; this should lower Samuel's market value. But......

    If you think this makes Asante stop thinking that he is a $10M dollar man; I think you have forgotten what sports agents like the postons have done to the negotiations business.
     

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