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  1. DarrylS

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    In the past there was a discussion regarding the demise of public schools and how other schools, such as catholic schools enrollment is increasing, did not think it was right.. but there was no verification of anything on the internet.. knew there was something going on with all those boarded up schools..

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2008-04-09-catholic-schools_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip

    St. Joseph finds itself in a plight shared by hundreds of schools. As Pope Benedict XVI prepares to visit the USA next week, a report released today by a Washington education think tank finds that more than 1,300 Catholic schools, most of them in big cities, have closed since 1990.

    The report, by the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, estimates that 300,000 students — twice as many as were displaced by Hurricane Katrina — have had to find other public, private or parochial schools. Fordham reports that the closings have cost taxpayers more than $20 billion as public schools absorbed many students

    "This has been a slow-moving disaster for going on 40 years," says Fordham vice president Mike Petrilli. He says the schools have long faced changing demographics as Catholics moved to suburbs and higher-paid lay teachers and administrators replaced nuns.

    Overall, Catholic school enrollment now stands at about 2.3 million, down from the peak of 5.2 million in the early 1960s.

    Karen Ristau, president of the National Catholic Education Association, says church leaders didn't respond quickly enough to the urban exodus of Catholics to suburbs and exurbs. "We didn't build schools fast enough." Where churches did build schools, "those schools have waiting lists."
     
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    So it's not so much a problem of people not wanting to go to catholic school (shivers....:eek:...6 years and not a Catholic, oh my...) but of there not being enough schools for people to go to.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    As I've said a dozen times, I'm perfectly happy with my public schools. At the end of the day it's about kids wanting to learn. Most teachers are competent if they have a good group of kids and I surely don't care about the building (I think our school has been there since the 50s).
     
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    There's a big "social problem" with 15 year old kids who live in the large city's that go to public schools and they can't spell "cat", that poblem can't be dealt with because of "hand wringing political correctness", so, the only thing to do is ignore it and concentrate on the kids that are learning, they will someday run the Country and make the important decisions.

    If you try to "fix" the "real problem" with "the others" you will be crucified by the slobbering liberal left wing do-gooders.

    My Solution:
    F-ck Them, let Hillary's Village wipe their a$s, Hillary and her band of screwballs won't face reality and the kids they slobber over are the ones who suffer.

    There are plenty of good public schools in this country but the Liberal Socialist Left Wing has loaded up the Big City Schools with thousands of "Progressive Loon Teachers" and the parents of the inner city kids don't give a Sh!t.
    In many suburban and rural schools when one of these LOONS slip through the cracks and starts with their Left Wing Crazy Crap the parents are all over them like flys on a loose bowel movement.

    Political Correctness has a lot to do with the failure of the inner city public school system, the smart people who could afford it saw this coming and they "FLED" doing so saved their children from the crazy do-gooders and the vicious socialist bastards.

    :bricks:
     
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    This is all by design. It's a fukcing travesty too. The government wants to monopolize education in this country. Why do you think there isn't a voucher program? Tell me how the average parent can afford to pay for their childrens education anymore? People in here talk about how it takes two breadwinners to make ends meat, well, how do those same people then pay for 2-3 kids to go to a private school? Citizens who pay taxes are already paying for public schooling, whether they send their kids to them or not. In essence then, a parent who does pay to go to a private school is paying twice. Once for the local public via taxes, and a second time to the private school they actually attend. It's no longer possible these days. The result? Government monopoly on indoctrination, a dumber society, and higher, and higher costs passed on to Joe Taxpayer. Absolutely gross. :mad:
     
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    #24 Jersey

    It's free (after taxes) - all you have to do is pay attention - show interest and they'll show interest. And given that the taxes are what they are, there's no additional cost.

    The education system isn't the problem, it's kids and parents not taking advantage of it that's the problem. My personal example - my kids have a tough, but good, 2nd grade teacher. She keeps telling me what a great help I am and I tell her, she overstates what I do, I don't do that much above and beyond what I assume all parents do. She says I do more than I realize because in her 20+ years teaching she knows how much progress kids make in her class without parental assistance and both of mine have made significantly more progress.

    Well guess what I do :

    - Read with them 30 minutes a day.
    - Make sure they do, and check, their homework.
    - Once in a while explain in adult terms what their life will be like without an education.

    That's it. And, evidently, that's considered "above and beyond" these days.

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    #75 Jersey

    Enrollment at Catholic Schools in big cities is down. That is because the same people, who would send their children to Catholic Schools in big cities, are getting tired of paying for both thier child's education, and the waste of their tax dollars on the Democrat run indoctrination system, that is the "fill in whatever major city your want" public school system.
    and moving out of the City.

    Catholic Schools provide a much better education, at a fraction of the cost of public schools, in a Capitalistic society, you would think this would make the public schools try to keep up, luckily for them, they do not have to.
     
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    Can you please explain to me how sending your child to a catholic school, or any private school, is free?
     
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    #24 Jersey

    It's not but you said :

    and I said it's free (after taxes) but I was referring to public schools which are fine if the kids and parents give a sh!t.
     
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    Ah, ok. I was referring to paying for a private education. We all pay for public education whether we use it or not. If you sent your kid to private school, you'd be paying for both.
     
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    #87 Jersey


    My 8 year old goes to public school and I like it that way. He has 11 kids in his class ... people pay for that kind of ratio ;).

    Anyways ... success is all about the person and less about the school. Where private/Catholic type schools pay off is when you go to them for high school and you later network with these people as you build your career.

    Also ... a little adversity here and there in a public school vs private/Catholic school IMO is a good thing ... being sheltered in life is rather useless.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Wow - that's hard to believe (I do believe you though :))

    We have 20 per class through 3rd grade then 32. The teachers seem to do fine.
     
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    I have 5 grandchildren right now in public school in Maine and they are doing great, their parents also support and help them every single day, I also have two grandaughters who went through the public school system in Maine and on to College and are now very successful, they still laugh at the advice that I gave them knowing that I quit school in the eighth grade, my words ring in their ears today
    "Don't Let The A$s Holes get Their Hooks Into You".

    I tell my younger ones who are just starting to see the world as it is in High School, if your parents can't afford College be an electrician or get into some other good paying trade job, then I tell them, "you don't need college anyway just come over to my house on the weekends and listen to me talk".

    I have also told them, if you have a teacher that wears granny glasses and won't use deodorant because of global warming and has BO, and this teacher starts preaching about Al Gore, Dafur and Spotted Owls, raise your hand, then when the teacher asks them what they want I told my Grandchildren to say,
    "my grandfather told me to tell you to go f-ck yourself"

    :bricks:
     
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    LMAO!

    I had a fourth grade teacher once who told me you couldn't get into Canada from NH.
    I told her she was wrong. She told me she wasn't. One thing led to another...I was an argumentative obnoxious little prick even then...anyway, the subsequent meeting between my mother and the teacher and the principal was priceless.

    "You argued with him about what?"
    and
    "Didn't you think to turn around and look at the map of north america hanging beside the board?"

    :D
     
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    In the late thirties they still slapped you around in school, when we acted up the teacher would send us down to the principal for what they called "a strapping" he had a piece of leather that resembled a razor sharpining strap, we had to hold our hands out and he would strap our hand, every boy in the school knew what to do to drive him crazy "we would laugh at him" it drove him nuts, he used to stutter when he got mad, we loved to hear him stutter, he would be screaming "you little ba ba ba ba sta sta stard" I still have a picture of him and myself when I was in the seventh grade.

    I'm going in the other room now and ask my wife if you can get into Canada from NH, she will tell me you have to go by boat.......We went to the same school.
     
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    these stories of teenagers who cant read....the blame is not the school. Who is responsible for this child? Any parent or guardian knows if their kid can read or not.

    If your kid is 15 and cant read you are a rotten, lazy, parent. End of story.

    My parents made sure i could read BEFORE i was in the 1st grade.
     
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    A 37+% wedlock rate doesn't help. :(
     

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